Kizer is not very good. He's not a clutch player. His mechanics are sloppy and inconsistent. I don't think he'll ever make it in the NFL
That one was off the top of my head. Blinn is a Jr College so yeah I guess it does count. But only one year of D1
Well yea, if what you say wasn't true the first 2 picks would be set in stone already. Considering the other qbs in this draft though, i don't think I'm out on to thin of a limb with my prediction
I also think Kizer has a shot to be the best QB out of the bunch. Best size for a QB in this draft, he has good pocket awareness and his mechanics are really only sloppy when he's under pressure or indecisive. I've seen this kid move in the pocket very gracefully, just needs to improve his mechanics on each throw. Has a great arm as well. In comparison to Mahomes, Kizer has far better footwork and pocket presence. He talks a good game, but I also think last year humbled him at ND.
If he was a Junior Kizer would be the #1 pick in this draft. Coming out as a Sophomore really hurt his standing. He's the only QB of the top 4 who has the whole package but he had a mediocre season last year and he came out anyway. That makes him a mid to late 1st, possibly an early 2nd. It's also possible the Bears will take him on the 3 but I suspect they will try very hard to trade out of the pick and maybe get a shot at him later in the round or with their early 2nd. I think the Browns liked him at one point also but their declining interest is part of his slide since the combine.
Didn't we learn our lesson drafting a big strong armed QB that looks the part but never put it together in college? I've also seen reports that Kizer loves being a QB and all the fame that comes with it and was thought that playing in a big city would be a nightmare for him. I'd stay away from Kizer and would take any of the other 4 over him.
Geno was just fine in college it was his introverted personality that got in the way in the locker room with the Jets. Can't be a team leader when you're burying your nose in your phone all the time. It's unfortunate that the punch derailed Geno, 2015 was likely to be his last best chance to lead the team and once Fitzpatrick, a born leader, showed up Geno was toast here.
Like 2014 all of the primary prospects, including Webb, have about an equal chance to be the guy who emerges as the great QB out of this class. Some of the secondary prospects, like Peterman and Kaaya have a chance to be that guy also. It's a great draft for a guy who likes sniping at QB's with 3rd and 4th round picks. Less value can be spent and still a shot at a QB. The 39 is too rich for anybody who slides though. Their chance to be the guy is no better than the rest of the names remaining and the NFL has already voted no on them as a sure thing. I'd trade down the 1st and snipe BPA with the result. Probably take a CB with the 39 and then see what's sitting there on 107. That's the last pick on day 2 and that's a great pick to snipe a falling QB before the flurry of early 4th round picks at the position.
He is the perfect candidate to put in the shelf for a year while petty makes his case to be on the roster. If he slips to our 2nd or if we end up with the pick 33, i wouldn't hesitate to take him
Overall this is just not the year to take a QB. I would be ok with Trubisky at 6 since he is the best of the bunch but all of these QBs have been horribly overrated and overvalued. I mean Trubisky's ceiling is probably Andy Dalton. Maybe he can be a tad better (if he even reaches it) This is a defensive draft with some offensive talent sprinkled in. We already took a gamble on a QB last year and gambled on idiot Geno a few years before that. Sick of these gambles at the expense of talent at other positions that we desperately need.
Overall this is just not the year to take a QB. I would be ok with Trubisky at 6 since he is the best of the bunch but all of these QBs have been horribly overrated and overvalued. I mean Trubisky's ceiling is probably Andy Dalton. Maybe he can be a tad better (if he even reaches it) This is a defensive draft with some offensive talent sprinkled in. We already took a gamble on a QB last year and gambled on idiot Geno a few years before that. Sick of these gambles at the expense of talent at other positions that we desperately need.
Don't want him on the 39 but if he falls that far the 70 would be ok. I'm really big on not spending 2nd round value on a guy the NFL has said no too in the 1st and early 2nd. If SF and Chi say no on 34 and 36 despite not having a QB that is a heavily weighted NO vote. Grabbing a good player on the 39 and hoping Kizer drops to the 70 is the better course of action. If he's not gone by the 39 there's probably a 50/50 chance he drops to beginning of the 3rd round. And BTW, I know the theory is a Schrodinger's Cat type theory and that eventually somebody will draft a superstar QB in the mid 2nd round. However the odds on any given guy being a real QB when you open the box are really low given what we know about the people taken in that range historically. It's like below 10% based on the history. Given the value of the 39 I want to get somebody who has a 50/50 chance of turning into a solid starter and a 20% chance of being a star and TE, CB, WR, RT, OLB, FS, etc have a much higher chance of being an actual player on the 39 than QB does. It's about measuring opportunity vs cost and going for higher opportunity with a higher cost pick.
Lost a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball as well as they went to the pros. Will Fuller, C.J. Prosise, and Ronnie Stanley and they didn't have anyone to replace them let alone have anyone worth a damn on the defensive side of the ball. What Kizer said was hella cocky, but I like a QB that wants to be great on their own and is willing to work for it. That's the kind of QB the Jets need. One that can shoulder the developmental aspect and master techniques. If Kizer can do it, then Jets will have no choice but to take him in the first or early in the 2nd. No chance he slides to the 3rd, unless Mac starts putting out rumors. But Kizer in the 70s would be an absolute steal.
I agree 110% ... it would really be nice if he were to fall to the end of the 3rd round. Less of a risk, and we need more talent on this team, not a player that more than likely won't play. Peterman and Kaaya are interesting as well should the Jets select a QB in this draft.
The 1 year experience is definitely a valid concern.. On the flip side, Tribusky has got some things that can't be taught....notably accuracy and accuracy under pressure. That is my biggest measure with college QB's. Inaccurate college QB's don't typically get better at the pro level. Additionally, while being a spread guy, he was asked to go thru progressions which he did well, showing good reads and pocket instincts. Who knows what next year will bring in terms of our draft position or prospects available. if the Jets have done their diligence and like this guy, I would be stoked to take him at 6. If Tribusky stayed another year in college and put up another similar year, he'd be a top 3 prospect in 2018. Otherwise I hope we trade down, as the class has more depth than elite prospects.........finding a trade partner if Tribusky is already gone will be difficult tho, as there isn't much reason for a team to trade up.
If you don't want him earlier than 39 you don't want him at all. Guys a 2nd round pick, i wouldn't let what teams drafting ahead of me dictate my board too much, i mean, there is a reason they're drafting ahead of me. Grade meets puck and pull the trigger. Anything else is paralysis from analysis
I don't like Kizer at all as a prospect, but I would take him over Watson. I like Watson's character and intangibles, but not his arm or inability to read Ds. I rank the QBs this way: 1) Mahomes, 2) Davis Webb, 3) Trubisky, 4) Nathan Peterman, 5) Kizer, 6) Watson, 7) Who cares?
Yeah I can understand your concerns with Watson as I have them myself. I just think his character and intangibles are elite and while I am concerned about his MPH reading I have no idea if it really means anything. From what I've seen of him he looks to have enough arm to make all the throws but I am certainly no expert. I also don't think he is a great fit for the Jets but I wouldn't bet against him. I think he is the most likely to have at least a solid career. For me I rank them 1.Mahomes 2. Trubisky. 3. Watson 4. Webb 5. Kizer 6. Who Cares.
But their defensive picks haven't been surefire either. I agree about Watson - I have some concerns, especially playing in the NE, but still, his ability to win on the big stage is something you cant teach, and he has tremendous character, I wouldn't be upset if the Jets took him. My ranking: 1. Mahomes 2. Watson 3. Peterman 4. Trubisky 5. Kizer 6. Webb. For me, Mahomes has so much pure talent that cannot be taught, and he has shown an ability to learn and adapt. And given the mediocre - at best - OL, his ability to make plays out of nothing is huge. Sure, he's going to lose some games early in his career because of gunslinging, but so did a lot of great QBs. And if they give him a chance to play this year, they'll know whether he can be the FQB or not, and if not, they look for one in 2018. And yes, there is a risk that if you burn an early - 1st? - pick on him and he busts that you've lost a potential great starter at some other position, but does Dee Milliner ring a bell? QB is the most important position on the team by a mile, and is worth the gamble. It sucks because the adds aren't favorable, but that's why the teams that finally find one are set for a decade or more. To me that offsets the downside.
