I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, if it has been I apologize. http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show/3370-off-the-field-at-the-jets-dolphins-game
wonder what woodys gonna doll out for this one. prob a framed jersey and a bus ticket to anywhere in the tri state area.
You think Robert turner will be upset if they retire his #75...by the way Winston should be in the Hall Of fame...
How does an OT with 13 years in the league and a superbowl ring not get in the hall? Has he even been nominated over the years?
winston hill is the man. when i was a young lad i went to joe namath football camp and winston hill was there. i was a lineman so i worked with him every day. the dude was cool as hell and extremely knowledgable.
He makes some great ribs. Seriously though, its too bad not many of the younger generation know about these greats in Jets history. I like history, so I know a lot about my team's despite being young.
75. Some sort of ring of honor starting with the 2010 season at the new stadium would be better than retiring numbers. The Cowboys have a ring of honor and zero retired uniform numbers. I don't like much about the Cowboys, but as far as I'm concerned they handle their former great players better than anybody else. I also like what the Raiders and Steelers do. Those are storied franchises with many former great players. Combined retired uniform numbers? One. Who is that player? Ernie Stautner, Pittsburgh Steelers Hall of Fame defensive tackle, uniform number 69.
What is wrong with retiring players numbers? There are 53 players on a team, 99 possible numbers you could use. It would not be a big deal to have 10 or even 20 players numbers retired and lets face it, the Jets don't even have 7 other guys, on top of Namath, Maynard and Klecko, worth retiring their number for. There can't be a "ring of honor" when two teams share a stadium. Retiring players' numbers or a ring of honor are both cool things to do, but no Cowboy should wear #8 or #22 or #12, ever again. Nor should a Steeler wear #75.
Why should Hill be in? He did receive All-Pro recognition in eight different seasons, but was never a consensus 1st team selection. In those eight seasons he was behind a number of different tackles in the All-Pro voting- 1964 AFL: Ron Mix, Stew Barber, Jim Tyrer, Eldon Danenhauer 1968 AFL: Ron Mix, Jim Tyrer, Harry Schuh, Walt Suggs 1969 AFL: Jim Tyrer, Harry Schuh 1970 NFL: Jim Tyrer, Bob Brown 1971 NFL: Ron Yary, Jim Tyrer, Bob Brown, Rayfield Wright 1972 NFL: Rayfield Wright, Bob Brown, Ron Yary 1973 NFL: Ron Yary, Rayfield Wright, George Kunz, Art Shell 1974 NFL: Ron Yary, Art Shell, Rayfield Wright, Russ Washington, Dan Dierdorf In the 8-team 1964 AFL, Hill was considered the 5th best offensive tackle. Nice, but not Hall of Fame nice. In 1968, he was again the 5th ranked OT, but the AFL had 10 teams that year. Therefore, his 1968 postseason accolades look slightly better. 1969? 10-team league, 3rd best OT. 1970 was Hill's best year if you go by All-Pro honors. He was largely considered the 3rd best OT in a 26-team league. At least by this measure, that was a special season for him. The 1971-74 years were pretty much all the same. He was among the top 4 to 6 OTs, but never the best. What else is there to go by? Pro Bowls? No. Pro Bowl voting has always been suspect. Stats? One could look at sacks allowed data and one could also look at team rushing stats. For the former, Hill pass blocked for Joe Namath for most of his career. Namath had one of the quickest releases of all-time. Even if behind a sieve line, Namath was not going to get sacked a ton. Certainly, Hill did help, though. As for the latter, how much did the other four Jets linemen help or hinder the run game? If the Jets didn't have a great season on the ground how much was it Hill's fault and how much was it the fault of his linemates? Getting back to that 1970 season, Namath played (and started) in only 5 games. Al Woodall started the other 9. Namath threw 179 passes and was sacked 6 times. Woodall threw 188 passes and was sacked 29 times. The sacks totalled 285 yards. The league average was 275. Therefore, the Jets were slightly below average as far as sack yardage allowed. How much of that was due to Hill? Who knows? Certainly Namath being lost for 9 games played a huge role. But again, Namath was in rare air in regards to sacks. The guy was very, very difficult to sack. Woodall was more league average in this regard. People could go in circles arguing all day about how much was it Hill, how much was it Namath, how much was it the other four Jets linemen in those given years, and as far as the run game, how much was it the abilities of the RBs? We know that Hill was very good. We all can agree on that. It is unfortunate we don't really have many old Jets games to look at. It's very difficult to judge linemen today, let alone ones who played in the 1960s and 1970s. Before Hill could ever be inducted to the PFHOF, I think the following offensive linemen need to be enshrined- Jerry Kramer Dick Stanfel Russ Grimm Bob Kuechenberg Duke Slater Jim Tyrer All six of those players have been Hall of Fame finalists. None of the six are in the Hall of Fame. Hill's never been a finalist. Ed Budde, Walt Sweeney, Riley Matheson, Mick Tingelhoff, and Al Wistert are other offensive linemen who have similar or more sparkling resumes than Hill. That's just offensive linemen. What about all the other players who deserve to be in the discussion for HOF induction? That list includes the following senior type candidates (note: I wouldn't put most of these guys in, but I am saying they deserve consideration)- QB- Ken Anderson, Ken Stabler, Charley Conerly WR- Mac Speedie (my pick as best player not in HOF), Otis Taylor, Cliff Branch, Harold Jackson, Billy Wilson, Lionel Taylor, Drew Pearson, Billy Howton, Harold Carmichael TE- Jerry Smith, Pete Retzlaff RB- Floyd Little, Verne Lewellen, Willie Gallimore, Beattie Feathers DE- Claude Humphrey, Gene Brito, L.C. Greenwood, Jim Marshall DT- Bob Gain, Eugene Lipscomb, Joe Klecko, Rosey Grier LB- Chuck Howley, Lee Roy Jordan, Tommy Nobis, Randy Gradishar, Chris Hanburger, Joe Fortunato, Maxie Baughan, Robert Brazile CB- Lester Hayes, Abe Woodson, Lemar Parrish S- Johnny Robinson, Kenny Easley, Bobby Dillon, Cliff Harris, Jim Patton, Jack Butler, Donnie Shell There's more to it than Hill was a great Jets player and helped win a Super Bowl so he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Seems there are quite a large number of players who were at least as good as Hill. Certainly there are a number of players from the list above who left more of an impact on the sport. Finally, it is the Hall of Fame. How many non-Jets fans would even recognize the name Winston Hill? For that matter, how many Jets fans in attendance on Sunday against the Dolphins will have any real knowledge on Hill besides he was great and played for the Super Bowl Champion Jets?
