I have to admit that I’m impressed with McCord and some of the other QB prospects. However, it seems to me that taking him would significantly impair the solid offense I think we can give Fields through the draft. [QUOTE="Borat, post: 4446721, member: it’s clear that Graham is an excellent football player, and he will probably go to Jacksonville before us. However, if he falls, I would not be in favor of taking him. In line with my comment above, it seems to me that we can get a solid offense through drafting some combination of OT, TE, and WR at the top of our selections. To really get viable starters at all three positions, I think we need our first three draft picks. I think we can get contributors at DT, DE, and S With our next three pics. I’m all in favor of finding the next Brock Purdy with one of our sixth round picks, but not before.
McCord has a lot of Baker in him but then also some Case Keenum too. He obviously threw for a mountain of yards and touchdowns this year but he also had two pretty disgusting games to go along with all the positives. He also wasn’t very impressive at Ohio State. Very difficult to project but I think he’d be a great mid round flyer. I think someone’s going to take a big swing at him in the second round though.
In fairness I don’t know enough about MCCord to pass judgment. But the notion of them picking a QB later in the draft is hugely dependent on how they assess the prospect potential and is IMO still an option for this regime. Just because we have needs they will not pass on a QB prospect they feel strong about. That is a number one commodity. JF is still not a proven QB, but I hope he will be for us.
In all fairness, I think some of the quarterback prospects after Ward might be worth taking a swing at. Really, if it was my job on the line, I wouldn’t want to miss out on the next Brock Purdy, never mind the next Tom Brady! I just think that most of the talented quarterbacks will be chosen in the first three rounds, and even then there is no guarantee that they will succeed. So you rightly point out that quarterbacks are hard to scout. I believe in Fields so I think building the offense around him is the safer bet. If he fails, we have a shiny working offense to give to the quarterback we draft next year.
Not really in favor of a mid- to late-round QB pick….do we really need another James Morgan, Bryce Petty, Taj Boyd, Greg McElroy…the list goes on and on. There is absolutely NOTHING in our history that says we have a clue as to how to develop a mid- to late-round QB. Nothing. Shit, I don’t think we have a fucking clue how to develop a highly drafted QB (see Darnold, Zach, Sanchez, etc.), let alone a flyer in the back half of the draft. Not that there are many teams who can do it, but sure as shit we are not one of them. For every Brady and Purdue, there are dozens if not hundreds of guys drafted late who never develop, and there are exactly ZERO of those guys drafted by the Jets. Sorry, but using a mid round pick on a “developmental” QB for this team…may as well just throw the pick away. The result will be the same. No…I’d rather use those picks on back half of the roster S, CBs, WRs, or LBs…at least there we’d have some kind of small chance to find a decent diamond in the rough. But at QB? This team? NO WAY
So because of the incompetence of our past, this new GM and HC should not do what they think is the right thing to do and pass on the draft a mid round QB they feel has a shot because of the Jets history. Utterly ridiculous. If they base their new picks on our past history we have the wrong team. AG and Mooge need to do what they thinks is best, screw history.
If you use that sort of logic, we should never take a QB. It’s a new regime that should take a crack at a QB if they see one worthwhile.
One possible mock in line with a strategy of building a viable offense around our quarterbacks. PFF simulator: 7. Membou, OT 42. Higgins, WR 73. Taylor, TE 110. Sai’vion Jones, DE 145. Mickens, S 162. Cam Jackson, DT 186. Thornton, WR 207. Dippre, TE
Not just Jets history…in fact very few QBs drafted outside the first couple of rounds ever pan out…sure we all know Brady, Purdy, Prescott, I guess you can add Kirk Cousins to the list as a 4th rounder too…but outside of a very small few, most QBs that are later picks don’t amount to much. Not just Jets…across the entire league. That position is the hardest to scout for, because it takes EVERYTHING…raw arm talent, athleticism, size, football IQ, etc. Just not too many chances of guys who have most of those tools to last past the first round, let alone past the second round. I’m get the logic of shooting darts against the wall hoping we find the next needle in a haystack like that, but we have so many holes on this team, that I’d just as soon roll with Fields and Tyrod and then go get a QB from a better pool next year. And yeah, sorry if I don’t have a heck of a lot of confidence in a first time GM and a rookie defensive HC as being the team to finally learn how to draft and develop a QB.
If they came in here with 40 mil committed to a QB by previous regime, sure it would not factor. But if they came here, and they like some QBs at 7, it would be idiotic to then commit 40 mil (30 guaranteed) to another young guy. They would sign a Winston and then draft a QB at 7. I cannot be 100% sure of course, but I am 90+% sure we are not taking a QB at 7 even if Sanders slides, which he very well might. And Milroe will be there at 7 too. I would be floored if this happens, I really would.
The Falcons drafted Penix the same offseason they signed Kirk to a 4year/$180 million. The Patriots took Garroppolo with plenty of Tom Brady juice left, the Packers with Favre & Rodgers and Rodgers & Love. The stories go on. Finding a franchise quarterback is not an asset management equation like anything else in the league. Fields should not prevent them from taking a guy at 7 IF they deem him a franchise QB asset. If it does, our management is a bunch of idiots again.
I am not sure there were too many cases where you actually bring in a young QB to be the starter for a significant sum multi year and then draft his replacement top 10 right away. And btw, I am not sure it was very smart for the Falcons to pay Cousins this much and then draft replacement. They wasted a lot of CAP space there, would have been been much better off signing a Winston instead. The examples you provided are good/great QBs, wo are aging, so you drafting their future replacement to groom. This is not necessarily a bad idea. The closest example I see is Minny signing Sam and drafting JJ, but Sam at the time was considered more of a journeyman back-up, signing 1 year deals twice in a row after his rookie contract. And Fields is actually the beneficiary of the resurgence Sam had. Here we just got a guy for a sizable sum, 2 year deal, who is young and seems ready to take next step. After we already know what happened with Sam. I just don't see a QB at #7 and I do think Sanders and Milroe might BOTH be there. And I think both are worse prospects than Penix. Again, I would be shocked if we take one, I really would.
Okay. I think I want Sanders if he drops to 7th pick. Find OT in 2nd round if you need it. If he is gone, then I want Tet the WR.
Sanders is such an enigma to me. He’s about as basic as it gets, physically. Avg size, avg arm, avg physical skills…. But he’s Deion’s son so you know he has the mentality and pedigree to succeed. He’s a dude that I’d be terrified if we drafted him, but also not surprised if he turns out to be successful.
You keep saying significant sum. He’s the 20th highest paid QB by AAV on a 2 year deal. He’s also somewhat cuttable after this season on a post June-1 designation even though it’d be shitty dead cap hit. In the realm of paying a QB he’s a pretty low investment.
I hear you. I think he will not bust. He has the mental make up and good enough arm. He also is accurate. I think at worst he will be a Tier-2 starter in this league. I really want him to be honest. Hope he drops.
Correct. You just have to add a simple *until* stipulation in there to make sense of it. Until a new regime shows itself capable of fielding a semi functional 1 year offense and keeper OC they should absolutely not throw picks away at flyer value QBs. Justin Fields is probably and realistically just as good of a QB talent as anybody that is going to be available to us in this year's draft. If/when he doesn't pan out here it's not going to be because of a "we didn't hit!" issue. It's going to essentially be for the same reason as it always is, and for basically the same reason we just struck out on Aaron Rodgers. This franchise currently needs a savior mind at OC, likely with a strong enough personality to offset the surrounding Woody nonsense at that, a heck of lot more then we need a "this is our next franchise QB" checkmark guy.
Well, 20th is not THAT low. It's below average, but not even bottom 3d. When you look at the CAP overall, it's not chump change. And I am good with the price, I think Fields is definitely worth it. But you see how much the Jets are valuing the CAP room, they literally paid decent money to 3 guys this entire offseason, and Fields was by far the highest one. Cutting him after one year, you lose 10 mil for nothing. Unless something goes terribly wrong, this is a two year 40 mil investment. Again, not the kind you can't let go if there is a great QB available in the draft, but the kind a smart team would not make if they think there is a great QB available in the draft when you pick that very same year. Next year it could be a different story. But this year I am convinced Fields is the focus for young QB development, and #7 will be used elsewhere even with Sanders and Milroe there.
