It may be possible, but I don't think it's desirable at this point. He's hurting the team and has Mac's hands tied. Eff Mo.
While we may have to trade Mo, your animosity toward him is puzzling. He has been a great Jet on and off the field and has never let his contract demands affect that. If you think Mo is a jerk with money, just wait until it's Richardson's turn. He's the real jerk.
Well if Mos gone then basically we gave away arguably the best 2 players on the team because we are basically overpaying older guys like Revis. I also accept that this franchise will be laughingstock of the league for another 40+ years.
I am a Jets fan first and foremost, and a player fan much further down the list. As long as they're good players and don't cause trouble, I like most Jets until they do something that hurts the team. In Mo's case, I really liked him. I wanted the Jets to draft him and they did. He's been everything I thought he would be as a player and a citizen. I stopped liking him when he asked for ridiculous money and ridiculous guaranteed money and put the Jets in a bind. We finally have a good HC and a good GM who are trying to build a winning team that we can all be proud of, and I'm gonna turn on any player that says or does anything that throws a monkey wrench in the works and hinders the work that Mac and Bowles are trying to do. If Mo had resigned at any point for a reasonable contract, I'd have had no problems with him. He didn't and his attitude and actions are forcing Mac into a no-win situation. Therefore, Mo can take a flying leap as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't care if he never plays another down of professional football. Let him go load trucks or stock grocery store shelves.
You couldn't be more wrong imo. Saying that this team will be laughingstock of the league for the next 40 years if we trade Mo away is ridiculous. Mac's doing what he needs to do to clean up the salary structure and balance of the team. For the last 7-10 years most of the draft picks and money have gone to the defensive side of the ball. Mac can't hold a gun to Mo's head and make him be reasonable or sign a contract that will keep him a Jet. Read Br4d's posts on the matter. He's spot on.
I love when the Jets finally have a stud player the first thought that comes to mind is trade him.Its been that way for the last 20 years.And the players we lost or traded went on to become studs elsewhere.
Brick would be less of a problem if we would have addressed the tackle position more aggressively within the last 2-3 years. Geez, the entire 2012 draft is up in smoke and idzik drafted 3 guards I guess to match the 3 WR he picked. Ugh.
This is the biggest issue by far. The guy had 12 picks and added Pryor and pretty much nothing else. Had he had even a below average draft a lot of the holes the team has now wouldn't be so glaring. Not only that he should've locked Mo up when he had the chance. Now that ship has sailed and hopefully they get a couple decent picks for him.
This is just a guess but I think it's likely to be fairly accurate. Mo Wilkerson Timeline: 2013 - Mo is eligible for a second contract at the end of the season, being a 2011 draftee. Idzik couldn't sign him before that because you have to finish 3 years of your rookie contract before you can be extended. 2014 - The Jets want to lock up Mo in the $12M a year range and spend a lot of time trying to get that number functional. They probably start at $10M-$11M with the idea of landing at $12M or $13M at the outside. 2014 - Mo's agent says to Mo "just wait to see what Watt gets unless the Jets blow us away with an offer, you can only lose this negotiation by signing too soon, because you won't set the market since you're not #1 right now." 2014 - The Texans announce they are exercising the option on Watt to kick in for 2015. The Jets follow suit with Mo a few days later. 2014 - The Texans, with a highly marketable superstar on their hands lock Watt up to a $100M deal just before the 2014 season opens. 2014 - Mo and his agent see the Watt contract as setting the market and want a similar deal. 2014 - Idzik just says no. The Jets aren't going to pay Mo like Watt because they're not similar players. Mo is not marketable the way Watt is and he doesn't have the same effect on the game. Great player but not J.J Watt for many reasons. 2015 - The Jets and Mo are in a standoff when Ndamakung Suh hits free agency and the Fins bite off way more than they can chew with his contract. This further hardens Mo's negotiating position. He just has to survive the season and he'll have most of the leverage. 2015 - Mo gets hurt at the end of the season for the second year in a row and the Jets are stuck with a position that will only deteriorate over time. 2016 - We're in that deteriorating position, because the Jets *are* cap-strapped right now and Mo is going to be too expensive to sign and the injury makes a tag and trade much tougher. It's a really unfortunate position to be in, but maybe it tells us more about what the Jets true situation is than we'd like to admit otherwise. The team is too old to be good for much longer no matter what happens with Mo. Clutching him tight with a big deal would just make him 30 when the roster might begin to look like a powerhouse again like it did in 2009 minus the QB. Richardson is very volatile value at this point as well because he's a mistake away from being out of the NFL at this point. Leonard Williams and Calvin Pryor and maybe Lorenzo Mauldin IV are the people the Jets are likely to see at the core of that good roster in 2018 or 2019 or so. Pretending that signing Mo to a huge deal will make a big difference for the Jets is ignoring the fact that in the 5 years they have had him he has been a great player but they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with him taking up very little cap space. It's not going to get better without a QB in house and with him taking up a minimum of 10% of the cap on average.
And what do we have to show for all of those defensive draft picks? They're either gone or became busts. I suppose we will lose Richardson and Williams when the their contracts come up because of Revis and other older players. I can see it coming, another collapse will happen once all of our aging roster gets too old, unless Petty or Geno become franchise QBs all of sudden and bail us out of this mess. We are aging like crazy, and the funny thing is that we were 4-12 just 2 years ago, we can't have our cake and eat it too when it comes to a rebuild.
Guy, I don't know how old you are or how long you've been rooting for the Jets, but it sounds like you need to step back and take a break for a while. Yes a lot of those players were busts or are gone because Tanny and Idzik are clueless twits. We might not want Richardson if he doesn't grow/wise up and stay out of trouble, or if he winds up being as greedy as he said he was going to be. Williams won't go anywhere. Neither will Pryor or Mauldin. In all likelihood, at most, Revis will be here 2 more years, and may be cut following this season. Harris has 1 or at most 2 more seasons. This will be Brick's last season if he makes it through this one. Mangold probably has 2 more seasons then he's done. So who are all these older vets that are going to burden us down the road? It's not hard to see if you're paying attention that Mac is trying to make the team as competitive as he can while he upgrades the roster with young talent. Look at the FA contracts he signed last seasons. Most of them were set up so if the players didn't perform they could be cut after last season or this upcoming season. Look at the FA deals he's signed this season. They're cheaper contracts that won't burden the cap going forward, and where he can, he's signing younger players, but first and foremost, he's trying to sign good players to bring respectability and competitiveness to the team. He's not going all in this season. If he were, he'd pay Fitz whatever price he wanted. The only way this team will suffer a collapse is if Mac proves to be an incompetent talent evaluator and Bowles an incompetent HC, and I don't see either of those things happening. Chin up, guy. We have every reason to be optimistic. By all indications we finally have a competent GM and HC, and an excellent OC.
Calm down, you're all emotional. Did the Jets pay to retain Mangold in his prime? How about Brick? David Harris? Pay up for Revis after fans like you clamord that we don't pay "ours". It's not about paying to keep ours. It's about keeping homegrown talent on a contract that fits the long term goals of that front office. Would you rather overpay for Mo and lose the ability to sign Ricardson, Williams, Pryor... That's why this situation is so delicate. This huge contract affects the team 3-5 years down the road when we have other holes to fill.
It doesn't just affect cap space it also affects expectations. There's no better way to guarantee that ALL of our good young players want the top of the market than to give that to Mo now after he's fought the Jets and turned down guarantees for 2+ years to get here. A culture of "my money" is not a winning culture and it never will be.
Mo is looking out for himself and his family. This is the first time he has had a chance to be in control of getting a contract and he is trying to get what the market will allow for. He isn't pulling a Revis mind you, and holding out/forcing a re-negotiation. The Jets would cut him faster than anything if he got hurt to a point where he couldn't play well or if his play dropped off. I get the frustration that you are feeling, as his contract is affecting our ability to sign players but this is life in football. I do not blame him for asking for what the market will allow for him. I wish he could take a hometown deal, or whatever, but can't just expect that, especially on his first and likely biggest contract opportunity.
That's a completely reasonable stance for him to take at this point. It doesn't explain why he didn't take some real guarantees two years ago and set up his third contract at 28 but it's a very good read on the situation now.
this team is old, has too many major needs (QB/LT/Edge Rusher/CB) to lock down Wilkerson. We also are way to far from being able to compete to try and hold this thing together. Get Mo to take 12-13 million or trade him for assets and start building this team the right way instead of throwing old expensive guys at a roster with a ceiling of a wildcard team. Eventually tom brady will retire at 42 or 44 and id rather have a roster in place that is built for long term success then to find ourselves in a cap mess with a ton of old guys
I'd like to be the next franchise that goes on a decade long run in the AFC East. We're the only franchise that has not been dominant in the division for an extended period of time.
Do not how long U have been a NYJ fan BUUUUUUUT they have being trying your suggestion since Jan 13 1969 with zero success
since about 86 or 88(im 38 now and have been a jets fan my whole life, but really didnt get the sport til i was 8 or 10 years old) As far as the second part, i would vehemetly disagree. it hasnt been since the 97-03 era that the jets really did things the right way. Since then its been throwing around picks and money for older win now guys or overpaying to move up combined with awful drafting. i wasnt really old enough in the 0's to evaluate GM play, but from dick steinberg to present day we havent really had many Gms do it the right way.
