Keeping hearing that Mangini's definitely going with the 3-4. Not sure that's true or even feasible with this group. But if he does, and Abraham's not going to be here to play OLB, does that point to a Hawk pick in the first round?
I would love to see the Jets trade down and pick up a playmaker like Hawk, who while not physically gifted with superior attributes can already read and react like a pro. Paired with Vilma inside and a healthy Barton it could be the making of a very formidable linebacking corps for years to come. Abe is really a tough call, who knows where Mangini stands on the guy. Best not to specualte on things we are utterly clueless about.
I have heard a lot of speculation about the 3-4, but none of it has come from the Jets, it's just conjecture, unless you have something from the Jets. Since it appears we can't sign or tag Abraham and stay under the cap, that would be an opening to change the scheme, so I think most people are guessing that's what happens.
I don't have any idea what they're thinking; not even sure what think they should do. However, speculation is all we have, and no matter how clever we are or how often we post, the entire board is ultimately utterly clueless as to what's going to happen. Cant' wait for something to happen.
I think Carpenter would be a better fit than Hawk in a 3-4, and he would cost less to boot. I also think Robertson would be a better fit at NT than DE, and that we should be looking for a 3-4 DE, not a 3-4 NT
Wait Hawk isn't physically gifted? Are you sure? nfldraftblitz.com extimates his speed to be 4.46. nfldraftcountdown.com lists it at 4.52. Sounds pretty decent to me.
We couldn't trade down if we wanted Hawk. He would be gone quick, maybe even by the 5th pick of the Packers. Or Oakland at #6, they need defense bad.
Most people don't think D-Rob would be a good nose tackle, because he doesn't have the raw power. I would not be surprised to hear his name in trade rumors. That said, between his average production and bloated contract, he'll probably be here playing somewhere.
I was talking about in the mold of an Arrington/Taylor type. Physically dominate for their position. Hawk has good speed [first time I've seen his forty time in the 4.4 range, not sure how accurate that is] and average size. The consensus seems to be he's also not that quick laterally. But he'll still most likely be the first defensive player off the board come draft day. He's got great instincts and football intelligence. I'm not knocking the guy, I've already said I would love the Jets to draft him. I would take a Bruschi type anyday of the week over a workout warrior with awesome mesurables.
Maybe 1 or 2 spots...No way Green Bay, Oakland and San Fran would pass up Hawk...Hell, one of those teams MIGHT even trade up with the Jets to take Hawk. Noe if you wanted to trade down in the teens or so and get Chad Greenway then that'd be more realistic, or even Bobby Carpenter. But the thing is, I want this regime to start off with offense, adressing OT,RB and QB are all much more important than any linebacker.
Hawk is a football player. That doesn't show up in numbers. A.J. Hawk LB 6’1 238 Ohio St. By: Robert Davis A.J Hawk is going to go down as one of the best linebackers in the history of Ohio St and college football. This is his third year as a starter, and he has led the team in tackles since his sophomore season. That year, he tallied 106 tackles, with 13 of them for loss, and two interceptions. As a junior, he was named to everyone’s All American lists and was the Big 10’s Defensive Player of the Year after finishing the season with 141 tackles, 8 for loss, and two interceptions. He capped off his brilliant career this season with another Big 10 DPOY award after notching 121 tackles, 16.5 for loss, 9.5 sacks, and one interception. Hawk is the prototype at linebacker. He’s strong, physical, and plays with a nasty streak. His best asset is the way he approaches the game and the intensity he plays with. Hawk will stick his nose anywhere the ball goes and most of the time comes up with the tackle. He is a very good athlete, with very good closing speed, and makes plays sideline to sideline. Physically, the only problem with Hawk is the lack of ideal height. At a listed 6’1, he is a bit short for an NFL linebacker. On the field, he goes full tilt all the time, and sometimes it will result in him taking himself out of plays. A.J. Hawk is arguably the top defender in this draft, and is without question the top linebacker. His combination of talent and tenacity is rare, and any NFL team would love to have him. He should be one of the first defenders off the board, and could end up cracking the Top 10.
Jets (- Abe) + (3-4) = A.J. Hawk I hope you don't mind if I take the liberty of correcting the above equaton. [size=+2]Σ[/size]Jets = O + D [size=+2]Σ[/size]Jets = O + (D - Abe) [size=+2]Σ[/size]Jets = O + F((3-4) - Abe) [size=+2]Σ[/size]Jets = O + F(((3-4) - Abe) + A. J. HAWK)
I wouldn't go Hawk round 1, but I would love to get Manny Lawson round 2, he's a perfect fit in a 3-4 D, he can either replace Abe at DE or play OLB, he'd be a great pick. Round 1 we need to get a playmaker on offense, whether that's DeAngelo or whoever.
I love the idea. It lets the Jets invest a top 5 pick in defense acquiring a great talent but without that whole "making the defense better" aspect.
If we traded Abe for a mid first rounder I would trade down a few spots from #4 and take D'Brickshaw or DeAngello Williams and then take Carpenter with the pick we got from Abe. Thats just me though. I really have no idea what we are going to do...
This is how I see our 4th overall pick situation; No matter who we draft (out of all those options mentioned in numerous posts as well as this one), we cannot go wrong with the pick. Think about it. Would you be unhappy with us drafting Brick, Hawk, Mario Williams, Jay Cutler, or Vince Young at the 4 spot? With the amount of holes we have on this team, one years draft will not make us a contender. We have to keep building by acquiring picks not only in this years draft, but future drafts as well. Obviously this has all been said before, but it's ture. Come second round I still see us taking the best available player, unless of course Mangini does move to the 3-4, where then we would draft Bobby Carpenter or Manny Lawson if they make it this far. What I am basically saying is that we cannot go wrong with this draft, we just have too many holes to fill. Any help is good help.
Where do you guys keep hearing Mangini will defiently go to the 3-4 this year? From this board, that's where. I haven't read one article that has indicated he'll immediately switch. It took Parcells three years to switch to the 3-4 with Dallas because he didn't have the personnel for it. Mangini will play to his strengths and right now that's the 4-3. The idea that it's more acceptable to lose Abraham because he's not an ideal 3-4 player is ludricrous. We'll probably use the 4-3 next year unless we completely rebuild the D. Right now Robertson and Vilma are gonna be around for years and they aren't your prototypical 3-4 players so we might not be switching for awhile. I believe Vilma could excel in any system but Robertson would be worthless in a 3-4.
Can't trade down for Hawk, the teams behind the Jets (Green Bay, Oakland and San Francisco) are all looking for a LB'er. I'd take him with the 4th pick.
