One of the Jets major problems is that they are poor at talent evaluation....period. Very seldom do the Jets players they select overachieve.....on a whole. Too many marginally talented players are brought onto the team. There constantly replacing an aging Veteran with with a less talented player, seldom an upgrade. Thats sums it up, there replacements are always downgrades to whom they replaced. I can't remember the last recent upgrade at any position.... Antonio Cromartie is only real defensive upgrade addition. LeRon Landry not re-signed??? Jets have steadily declined from Rex's first 2 seasons....all connected to lack of talent upgrades. Kris Jenkins injury was start of defensive demise. Kerry Rhodes...no player has been an upgrade at his position??? Bart Scott, Darrell Revis, Mike DeVito, Aaron Maybin...i'm sure there is more & thats just the defense. Rex can only coach what he has to work with??? Offensively the OL...why wans't Robert Turner re-signed before he was let go. Jets major problem is the front office. Is Idzik a football guy??? Its been said he's a paper/pencil guy...alot like Tannebaum. So really...though as die-hard Jets fans who bleed Green...the future is actually cloudy at this moment. Alot will ride on the pick-ups Jets sign from other teams. This will show Idziks' true colors. Jets look like they will be drafing high again next season. Should Rex stay.... he's not really the problem. If this new OC is good, he should stay also. Idzik....if he needs help evaluating talent, he should bring in the help. Alot will be unveiled in the next few weeks.
Your absolutely right.. They always let good players go and bring in sub par replacements. Examples Hugh Douglas, John Abraham, James Farrior, Kareem Mackenzie, Revis , Santana Moss the list goes on and on and we bring bums in or draft terribly for a replacement. It's a main reason why we can't ever dominate the division or league.
Robert Turner was Jets last capable back-up offensive lineman. He got injured & them waived. Ducasse now plays that role for Jets.
I wouldnt necessarily say the problem is talent evaluation in the area of free agency/re-signing your players (because often times theres a lot that goes on behind the scenes with that process that we dont know about) the true problem with talent evaluation with the Jets comes in their drafting deficiencies. The drafting has been inexcusable, imo. I know its something the Bills dealt with for years before Buddy Nix arrived and made the draft first priority. The Bills drafts in the 2000s were horrible, but recently they've started to get better. I see the Jets as stuck in that mold right now, just not hitting on their draft picks. Aside from Wilkerson and Keller, in the first 1-4 rounds (starter rounds) from 2008-2011 the Jets have drafted and gotten little to no production. Also, they traded away a lot of those picks: 2011: (1) Muhammad Wilkerson, no 2nd, (3) Kendrick Ellis, (4) Bilal Powell 2010: (1) Kyle Wilson, (2) Vladimir Ducasse, no 3rd, (4) Joe McKnight (and then spending a 5th rounder on a FB, who is no longer on the team) 2009: (1) Mark Sanchez, no 2nd, (3) Shonn Greene, no 4th. 2008: (1) Vernon Gholston, (1) Dustin Keller, no 2nd, no 3rd, (4) Dwight Lowery Its no surprise the cupboards are bare. The Bills did that for years and they paid for it severely. The draft should be first priority, before anything else.
Dont agree... On D our talent analysis is VERY VERY good. On offense our center, guards, tackles, tight ends, full backs, running back have all been pro bowlers through the past decade. At QB and wide out is where we haven't delivered and hopefully that will change once we get Nacho's salary off the books.
Yeah, it's not really FA but more the draft and the lack of opportunity pick and not hitting the lottery when we hit the pick. Part of this reason was that we were trying to build a SB team in a short window. We missed, but continued to try and it trickled down to 2011 and 2012, lack of depth, lack of youth, lack of playmakers. It looks like 2011 will be a productive draft class with Wilkerson on an All Pro pace and Kerley being a good WR and Ellis and Powell being potential starters. Our 2012 draft has Hill, Coples, and Davis in the first 3 rounds. Then Bush, Allen, Gannaway, and Griffin in the late rounds. These 2 drafts have the potential to be very helpful to this team. If you look at the team, it's getting younger quickly. Now the key is to get younger and higher quality players. I think the Jets brought Idzik in for this reason, to rebuild. Tanny/Mangini did a great job building a contender in a very short time frame and Tanny/Rex did a great job taking that talent and translating it to the field. Tanny then missed on a few moves and adding into the lack of draft picks we have, it created some severe problems for this team
and the g.m that over saw all that is gone. new g.m. fresh new page. feel free to turn it. 2011 mo wilk k. ellis and powell all look like they will contribute this year with mo looking like an all pro 2012 coples hill and davis are all likely starters with the arrows pointing up 2013 millner s.richardson geno winters are all going to be starters on this team by season end and we haven't heard anything bad about any of them so far 8 starters and a role player out f the last 3 drafts first 3 rounds. past history does not gurantee future results. stop living in the past and give the new guy some time to do his job
I'd say this is the problem with most teams that aren't consistently successful. You absolutely have to draft well and feature scheme continuity to contend annually in this league.... nobody can just patch together a great team via FA with the salary cap in place, and rightfully so. This ain't baseball.
1. Tannenbaum fucked it up big time with all of his draft pick give away. Jets had to either go with low round picks or cheap FAs to fill the gaping holes for a reason. 2. So, your problem boils down to the lack of quality draft picks - nothing more, nothing less. 3. In that regard, the future looks BRIGHT. This GM knows how important draft picks are, and knows what to do with it when he is on the clock. Just look at this draft. Jets drafted 2 of the top 4 choices, a consensus best QB prospect in the class, and a whole lot of OL bodies without giving up a single draft pick. If this is a sign of things to come, you can expect the talent level to fill up in a hurry. On top of that, Jets will have at least 7 picks in top 100 [provided Jets don't trade down.] That should do a lot of good for the future. 4. Last, but not the least, Idzik already enlisted help [Rod Graves.] He cleaned the scouting department in its entirety, and got his own personnel already. If that's not the 'help' you are talking about, what else are you talking about? As my econ professor once said, there is no such thing as God channel in this world. Nobody knows what will happen a year down the road, let alone a few. -------------------------------------------------- So, just what the hell is your problem? If Rex and Marty can stay together for a few more seasons...
More than talent evaluation problem, is the talent development. Some guys we drafted like a James Farrior, D. Woodhead, Hugh Douglas, and S. Moss up to a certain point, all played well in other teams. Mark Sanchez is a prime example on how not to develop a player. But as all the things there are some good and bad. We got Kerley and his development is great, and look at the story of W. Chrebet.
Farrior and Douglas is more of scheme change problem. They shouldn't have been given pink slip. I can understand Douglas - Parcells didn't seem to like him all that much. Letting Farrior walk still gives me fits.
Drafts generally take time to take effect. Right now we are suffering through the 2008-2010 period, when we should be relying on these guys to carry the team. In actuality, most of these players are gone (only players left are Sanchez, Wilson, Ducasse, and McKnight). 2011 and 2012 are looking good, and I'm optimistic about 2013. If Idzik nails 2014 there's enough talent on the team to contend sooner than people think.
A few too many trade ups caused the depth chart to get shallow. Shonn Greene wasn't worth the two additional draft picks given up. Keller could have been had without trading up for. Probably Hill also. Some of the trade ups were good value like Sanchez, Harris and Revis but Tanny became too enamored with it and it backfired on him in the end. There won't be 7 picks in the Top 100 next year. It will be 4 and maybe 5 at the most if Landry performs in Indy and nets one at the end of Round 3. None of the other FA losses were signed to big enough deals to warrant high compensatory picks. It will be their own 3 picks plus the Revis 3rd rounder.
little to no production? they got their starting qb of 4 years, starting rb of 2 years, starting tight end, nickel back that is used as much as starters, kick returner, fb who started for a year, rb still on the team and high on depth chart, and a nose tackle they are expecting big things from this season. the only bust on that list is fucking gholston dude, maybe vlad, but we still get a lot more service out of vlad than we ever did gholston so nowhere near as bad as him. sorry to burst your 'you could learn something from the bills' bubble, the problems have been roster management not drafting or talent evaluation. tanny put together old rosters that couldnt hack the whole season, enamored with big names and unable to establish any sort of depth because of his contract buffoonery. its why he got axed and a lot of guys kept their jobs.
I don't know, I've always felt like we've had more trouble developing our talent than actually accumulating it.
