Performance so far: 3 DNPs - coaches decision. That's right Mr. E, the guy you and many others on this board only wanted to draft at #17 has not made it to the field yet. In fact, I believe it was you (being stubborn) that reported a week or so before the season that Mr. Gilbert would be starting. I'm curious if you were just lying or you got bad information? Remember the Bears lost their starting DT in training camp for the year. So even that hasn't helped him get on the field. Just to clarify, I could care less if Gilbert turns out to be a good player. My argument before the draft was in response to why so many people on here wanted to draft the guy in the 1st round when nobody had him going in the 1st and he ended up going in the 3rd. Just reporting the facts. BTW, I wanted to draft Juaquin Iglesias in the 3rd and he can't see the field (for a WR starved team no less) either.
Wow!!! It's still early, let's calm down. Gilbert is switching from playing mostly DT in College to DE in the pros. I can't remember MR. E ever saying Gilbert was going to be drafted at #17........Jabba was the huge fan of Gilbert's and had him penciled in for the Jets. Throwing stones especially at some I respect, like Mr E., is not waranted.... he's spot on most of the time. I believe you don't have all your facts straight. Gilbert was overhyped (Pool crap) and I never bought fully into the hype of him being drafted in Rd 1. I projected Gilbert to be at very best, a very late Rd 1 to mid Rd 2 selection. Johnny Knox is out playing Iglesias..plain and simple. I guess we can call Shonn Greene a bad pick since he hasn't made a play yet.......lighten up some.
Everyone like him for the Jets because he could play 3-4 end. With the Bears he's playing a different position in a different scheme
Exactly right, in fact, I thought it was odd the Bear's drafted Gilbert. Gilbert was a much better fit for other teams.
Guys, the sole purpose of this post was to hold Mr. E responsible for a post he made right before the season saying Gilbert was starting. I will have to dig up the post. I think people should be called out for outright lies. Again, this is not about if Gilbert is good or not. Obviously we won't know that for a few years. The fact is a) I was correct that drafting Gilbert in the 1st round was a ridiculous notion (the original argument) and b) Mr. E assumed nobody would check on his irresponsible statement that he would be starting.
First, if true, I'm not so sure, how is it an "outright lie"? Please answer that question!!! Someone expressing their own opinion of a future event isn't a lie. I don't always agree with E's opinion's, I'm sure he doesn't always agree with mine and others. One thing I know for certain, Mr. E doesn't make crazy statements of a player's ability without facts and knowledge of a player. I think you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=47774 Above is the thread where Mr. E claims Gilbert is starting for the Bears dated September 2, 2009. About 4th reply from the bottom on page 1. Here it is: "Ha. Ha. Jarron Gilbert has been named to the Bears starting defensive line already...he must suck, huh? It will be a rotation, but Gilbert is supposed to get the majority of the reps."
Here's a thread that talks some about Gilbert's draft stock. Most people believe he was overhyped and didn't think the Jets should draft him at #17. Mr E seemed to support my view, late Rd 1 at the earliest and more likely Rd 2. Look at Post #15. Klecko...you stated in the first post of this thread, that "many others" wanted Gilbert for the Jets at #17. I only seen...-MC- and J Cotch.......everyone else was against Gilbert to the Jet's in Rd 1. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=1222494#post1222494
Be happy to answer that question. He wasn't merely predicting he was starting, he was saying he was named a starter a week before the season!!!...yet he is not even active and not hurt! For the record, I gave him the out in the OP that he may have got bad information.
I'll let E speak for himself, after this post. I can tell you that Gilbert was in the starting rotation in preseason games. I saw a couple of Bear pre-season games. E never said he made the starting rotation on Day 1. He was talking Pre-Season!!! I think you're just starting trouble. What makes Mr E., Green Hurricane, Jabba and others good draft experts, besides their knowledge, they aren't afraid to take a stand and express their strong POV!!!! There's no room for pussies with weak, uneducated opinions when it comes to evaulating draft talent. No one is always 100% correct, it's an art, not a science.
WW Let me say this AGAIN. This has nothing to with Gilbert's talent. It has to do with two separate issues concerning Gilbert. 1) Several people on this board (this is the only place I saw it and I saw it from many people on here) before the draft were stating they wanted Gilbert in the 1st round (whether it was at #17 or trading down and taking him later in the 1st). I and others countered that Gilbert would not sniff the 1st round and if you wanted him you could get him much later. They disagreed. We were right. No big deal. 2) Mr. E specifically tried to tell me one week before the season that Gilbert was named a starter for the Bears (see proof above). That was either a lie to cover for his being wrong on where he was drafted or Mr. E got bad information somewhere. Only he can answer that. Not trying to start anything. I just don't like it when you are having a discussion with somebody and to make a point they lie. I do appreciate all the information and opinions the guys above bring to the table. I really do. I love draft talk. I'm wrong about guys as much as anybody. Heck, the year we traded up for Revis I wanted us to stand pat and take Justin Harrell who three years later still has not seen the field. It's not about being right or wrong necessarily. I just thought Gilbert in the 1st round was outlandish and couldn't believe so many people on here jumped on his bandwagon. It would be like me saying lets take Shonn Greene in the 1st. He may turn out to be great but nodody had him going in the 1st. And finally, again, the lying thing got to me.
Really dude, that's your argument. Preseason?? Give me a break. Stanley Daniels was starting for us in preseason.
You said this in the Giants preseason game thread, when Gholston got a few tackles last year, this is an outright lie and you deserve to be called out for.
Klecko, You starting this thread calling out someone, if you can't see it, I'm sorry. If you are going to hold someone's feet to the fire, be prepared to have the same done to you. I don't see MR E lying in this situation. Here are the facts....Gilbert started in Pre-season, around Sept 2 or 3 before the last pre-season game, E stated Gilbert was a starter. For whatever reason, Lovie Smith decided to not play Gilbert in regular season games....a coach can change their mind. You stated in your first post many Jet fans wanted Gilbert at #17....that's totally false. I even showed the thread and the only 2 posters (-mc- & J Cotch) wanted Gilbert at 17. Even Jabba, confided in me that Gilbert was a reach at #17. As I stated earlier, I never bought into the Hype of Gilbert, but talent wise, he was worthy of a late Rd 1 pick. Players drop, it happens. Gilbert was a terrific value in early rd 3. I'm really done on this topic. I believe this thread should be closed because it serves no purpose calling out another community member as a liar......which is sketchy at best.
Yuor not reporting facts, your trying to carry on an argument, in a additional thread from the original one. Basicly, your acting like a big fucking baby.
kleko congrats on being right, i think u should get a job with espn or better yet an nfl team could hire u as scout
