Now that the draft is in the books I thought I would share some thoughts. I think a fair grade for the Jets draft is in the B+ to B- range. Most of the players they selected were not the highest rated players available in those spots from most of the sources that I have seen. The grades we have received seem to reflect this. It would seem that we could have moved down in the first two rounds and recouped some of the assets we gave up in the Rodgers trade and gotten similar talent. One reason that I believe we were willing to trade down with the Packers in round one and give them the higher of our two second round picks was that our front office fell in love with the players we took and felt confident that they would be available where we picked them. They swung for the fences on an athletic undersized pass rusher at fifteen that many had rated lower while the Eagles were able to select a larger athletic player in Nolan Smith at thirty. Joe Tippmann was a nice building block at pick 43 but the Giants were able to get their center at 57. The front office felt that Tippman was the better of the two but I really like the value the Giants got with their pick. We got some interesting players later that have considerable upside but if we missed in round one I don't know that we did so good. I like what the following teams did: Eagles: 1st round, No. 9 overall – DT Jalen Carter (From Carolina Panthers through Chicago Bears) 1st round, No. 30 overall – LB Nolan Smith 2nd round, No. 65 overall – OL Tyler Steen (From Houston Texans) 3rd round, No. 66 overall – S Sydney Brown (From Arizona Cardinals) 4th round, No. 105 overall – CB Kelee Ringo (From Houston Texans) 6th round, No. 188 overall – QB Tanner McKee (From Houston Texans) 7th round, No. 249 overall – DT Moro Ojomo (From Detroit Lions) RB D'Andre Swift 2025 Pick gained Buccaneers Fifth Rounder 2024 Picks traded away Third Rounder Fourth Rounder Two Fifth Rounders 2025 Pick Traded away Fourth Rounder Broncos Round 2: No. 63 overall: WR Marvin Mims, Oklahoma Round 3: No. 67 overall: LB Drew Sanders, Arkansas Round 3: No. 83 overall: CB Riley Moss, Iowa Round 6: No. 183 overall: DB JL Skinner, Boise State Round 7: No. 257 overall: C Alex Forsyth, Oregon Trade: Tight end Adam Trautman via Saints Giants Round 1: No. 24 (from JAX) – Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland Round 2: No. 57 – John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota Round 3: No. 73 (from CLE through HOU via LAR) – Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee Round 5: No. 172 – Eric Gray, RB, Oklahoma Round 6: No. 209 (from KC) – Tre Hawkins III, CB, Old Dominion Round 7: No. 243 – Jordon Riley, DT, Oregon Round 7: No. 254 – Gervarrius Owens, S, Houston Bengals Round 1, Pick 28: DE Myles Murphy, Clemson. Round 2, Pick 60: CB DJ Turner II, Michigan. Round 3, Pick 95; S Jordan Battle, Alabama. Round 4, Pick 131; WR Charlie Jones, Purdue. Round 5, Pick 163; RB Chase Brown, Illinois. Round 6, Pick 206; WR Andrei Iosivas, Princeton. Browns Round 3: No. 74 (from NYJ) – Cedric Tillman, WR, Tennessee Round 3: No. 98 – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor Round 4: No. 111 – Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State Round 4: No. 126 (from MIN) – Isaiah McGuire, DE, Missouri Round 5: No. 140 (from LAR) – Dorian Thompson-Robinson, QB, UCLA Round 5: No. 142 – Cameron Mitchell, CB, Northwestern Round 6: No. 190 – Luke Wypler, IOL, Ohio State Honorable mention to the Patriots for hitting on their first two picks even though the rest of their draft was a mess.
I have some thoughts on your well thought out and reasonable thoughts…. Based on trades that did happen, the Jets wouldn’t have gained more than a couple day 3 picks for trading back in rounds 1 and 2. The Jets stayed put and took the top players on their board. The experts all have McDonald and Tippman in the conversation for top at their positions and many did have them at the top of their position. McD is considered an Edge but don’t forget the NFL combined OLBs who rush and traditional DEs and created “Edge” as a recognized position. For all intents and purposes there are 2 types of Edges with 2 complete different body types and playing styles. The Jets got the best speed Edge Rusher in the draft. The Jets had the opportunity to take the Speed Edge the Eagles took later but they passed on him for McD. McD and Smith have the same weight while McD is 2” taller, I’m hard pressed to call one undersized But not the other. The reason the Jets were willing to trade back with the Packers, is because they believed they put out enough smoke where one of their top players would be available…. The Jets were never interested in an OT who would need a year to develop and every single “expert” called Jones “raw”. The Jets wanted Bijan (but assumed he’d be gone) and Gibbs. When Seattle took Witherspoon, inspiring a heartbroken Detroit to move down a few spots, it had a domino effect and cost us Gibbs who was who we really wanted. This was my opinion pre-draft (I started a thread) and has been confirmed post draft. The Jets had to pivot and took someone they felt was the best at his position, speed Edge. I notice a lot of your favorite draft are from teams who maximized value with limited resources… I’m confident the Jets will fit that bill next year. I wonder who will pick when we’re finally on the clock at 64!
Where did you get this information from? I saw one guy report we wanted Gibbs vs about 100 saying Jones would have been the pick. This is hardly a confirmation. More like a conspiracy theory. If true, which I highly doubt it is, it could not have worked out any better, since we got a guy in a 5th round who gives us what we need at RB while Breece is recovering.
You’ve seen 100 experts talking about what they would do or what they think the Jets would do. It’s come out what the Jets would have actually done. Learn to understand the difference.
Learn to understand the different between facts and rumors. It was a rumor. Same speculation as these 100 other reports, except juicier, since it is a completely different take. Like I said conspiracy theory. But you failed to answer the original question. Why all of the sudden against the grain did you think Gibbs was the target?
You are so determined to convince yourself you have the pulse of the team, you completely ignore the reality of what happened…. I’m not going to circle back and repeat myself over and over again. If you want to believe all the smoke during “lying season” but ignore the reports from reflection season, that’s your business. To answer your question, “why all of a sudden etc etc”…. I STARTED A FUCKING THREAD ON THEM TAKING A FQB WITH THEIR TOP PICK A MONTH AGO. I don’t think “all of a sudden” means what you think it means. The Jets were taking Eitienne in 2021 if Jax hadn’t. We took Carter later. The same thing played out this year. While I liked Carter, he’s no Eitienne; same can be said for Gibbs and Izzy.
It's not that I believe the smoke, I don't. Jones just made sense, but it is what it is. Jets won't release this info, and I don't believe a "reflection season" rumor. I don't know why you put so much stock into it. Speaking of convincing oneself, I suppose since it agreed with your thought, you want to believe it must be accurate. That's your business. I just think JD values trenches more, he values premium positions more, and RB is not one of them. He learned from Howie Roseman, who has never taken a RB in the 1st round. In fact every year JD was here he has taken a RB with mid round picks, plus traded late one for Robinson. He did take Breece in the second, but Breece was the best RB in the class and the 4th Jets pick this year. This is not to say he would never do it, but I think if there is a top trench player, CB, or WR, he would have him rated higher, because of the premium of these positions. That's also something he has done in every draft so far.
Think what you want; reality shows otherwise. There are 0 reasons to blow smoke after the draft. Your logic isn’t completely off… I considered the same thing earlier this off season but moved off it. If you want to know why the Jets were going to draft Gibbs, read the case for Bijan post. It all holds true except for the “back up plan if AF falls through”. I’m sorry the reality of what happened disagrees with your individual reality to the extent you don’t believe the overwhelming majority of beat reporter who broke the story (post draft) that the Jets were taking Gibbs. Gibbs was going to be our CMC. Izzy will fill a role, but he’s no Gibbs.
Personally I don’t think you can believe rumors anytime…before or after the draft. It’s like poker. If you fold, I’ll never show you what I had. GMs are like that. They will never come out and say what they REALLY wanted. All that being said, I like talking value all day long, but in the end, if the player is great, value doesn’t matter as much…these discussions about you could have gotten a guy at 25 that you took at 15 is fun to talk about, but it doesn’t account for how the board would’ve fallen had you taken someone else or had you traded out. I am ok with a pass rusher at 15, even if many said he could’ve been had in the mid-20s. We’ll never know if that would have true or not. And honestly, if this kid balls out and delivers, I won’t much care
From what I have seen, only Dane Brugler reported it, saying "Jets had their eye on Gibbs at 15". That's one guy. I am happy with Izzy as a 5th rounder plus a 1st round Edge rusher, if he becomes a good one, if we could not have Jones. In any case, we will not find common ground on this. The difference where Gibbs and Izzy were drafted is drastic, but I wonder what the actual difference will be between them when they play. One thing we do agree on is that the opportunity will be there. I don't expect Breece to become Breece of old until about mid season, and Izzy will be asked to play a lot if he is good.
I don’t purport to know any of the thinking pre or post draft, but I’ll say this: if JD felt that we needed a STARTER from the draft at OT to protect Rodgers, then he’d have done anything in his power to make sure we drafted one. There’s zero chance he sits back and watches them all fall off the board. He traded from 13 to 15 KNOWING it would open the door for NE to try and screw us. I don’t think he ranked the OT prospects as high as we think, and I definitely don’t think he feels OT is a desperate need. I think he’s rolling the dice on Becton one last time.
Reporting and rumors aren’t the same thing…. The Jets were taking Gibbs at 15. I appreciate the analogy but it’s less like poker with your buddies and more like WSOP - you’re not the only one who saw your hand. You’re sharing a hand with at least a dozen people. Expect everyone to be tight lipped when it matters but to expect people to keep secrets when the hand is over, is a stretch. People who believe the Jets are purposefully spreading bad information POST draft really miss the politics forum.
It’s coming from every draft insider now. I think Dane Bruglar was the 1st to put it out there. Once you accept it, the rest of the moves make more sense re 13 & 15, the 1st leak ever from JD etc etc. I
Some, quoting Brugler, said they "believed" the Jets had their eyes on Gibbs. The most definitive thing Brugler said was in a Tweet that the Jets "had eyes on" Gibbs. That's a giant leap to get to "the Jets were taking Gibbs at 15." It's speculation after the fact and all but meaningless; certainly not in any way a fact, even to a firm believer in the credibility of Bruger. The bigger question it would raise, if true, is "why?" Have the Jets lost all faith in Michael Carter? Do they have doubts about the availability of Breece Hall? Is Knight history?
Dig deeper and you’ll find more than Bulgar. The “why” can be read in my “the case for Bijan” thread. re: hall 99% of RBs need 1year + to fully recover to NFL level, that brings us to November. We were going to take Etienne in 2021 but Jax jabbed him; we took Carter instead. Carter is good but he’s not Etienne.
It's "Brugler." If he was important people would know his name. And it's all speculation. And it's all in the past. Kind of a very small hill to choose to die on.
Yes, I typed out his full name in the 1st post, I’m sorry my fast typing typo rattled you so much. I suggested you dig deeper to find more sources, I’m sorry you couldn’t make the effort. There are plenty important people in the world who you and I will never know existed. Speculation is what people did before the draft. Speculation is what you put out there when the subject puts out no details. Reporting is conveying 1st hand information you find out at some point. Conspiracy theorists are people who can’t tell the difference. The hill I’m willing to die on is “the Jets were never interested in taking a developmental OT at 15.”
