It's the pass protection

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  1. Al Dorow

    Al Dorow Banned

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    If you watch Sanchez play, you'll notice what a fine passer he is when he has the time. It's all about TIME in the pocket. When Sanchez is harrassed on every pass attempt (either sacked or knocked to the gound), he then has a tendancy to be insecure in the pocket and rush things. But when the line is consistantly giving him time to scan the field and fire, Sanchez is a very effective passer. Tighten up the pass protection and we have a pro bowl QB. However, the defense is another problem.
     
  2. DemoIsland

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    Pro Bowl QB? Laugh.

    Mark Sanchez is responsible for at least 2-3 of those sacks. The kid showed HORRIBLE pocket presence. Two off the top of my head I can recall Sanchez not stepping up and or sliding into the pass rusher. How the heck can the offensive line be taking blame for that? The Patriots were only rushing 4, and one time 3!
     
  3. HardHitta

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    The pass rush has been shit and it's a reason for a lot of crappy offensive play but let's not get silly here, Sanchez is an average QB at best.
     
  4. Rex's Sweater Vest

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    Enough. Sanchez has one of the better o lines in the league, the best center and one of the best left tackles and people here act like he is being protected by college players, our o line is very good compared to most of the league. The problem is Sanchez not having a high football IQ/ good reaction time. This leads to him throwing bonehead picks, missing wide open receivers, etc.
     
  5. JfaulkNYJ

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    andre carter disagrees that the oline is one of the best. it has played like absolute garbage this year.

    one week its great, and sanchez is used to that. the next week its an utter disgrace, and im sure the qb isnt expecting that against the patriots pass rushers.
     
  6. PatsFanTX

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    Sanchez's problems are three-fold:

    1) As you stated, he has terrible pocket presence when facing a rush. Instead of stepping up into the pocket (like all QB's are taught in high school), his first step is either to the right or left.

    2) His inability to rapidly move through his progression reads. When his primary receiver is open, he nails the pass. When he has to look for his 2nd or 3rd receiver, he takes too long and bad things tend to happen.

    3) Locking onto his primary receiver and forcing the throw into double coverage. The pick-six Sunday night is a perfect example of this.
     
  7. Wahoo

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    I'm also concerned about his continuing inability to recognize a blitz and adjust according. Brady time and again saw the Jets blitz coming and set up protection to give him time. On a number of occasions, the Pats lined up someone with NO ONE between them and Sanchez, and he never noticed this. Its his 3rd season, he's got to start recognizing this stuff and addressing it.
     
  8. PatsFanTX

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    Doesn't Mangold call the pass protection for the Jets OLine?
     
  9. DemoIsland

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    Yes he does. But Mangold is not the one throwing the ball. Sanchez has to recognize the heat.
     
  10. nyjunc

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    Sanchez is a good QB, you don't get to back to back title games w/ average or below average QB play. W/ that said the pass protection wasn't good but a couple of the sacks/hurries were on mark. he played poorly the other night as did the entire team.
     
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    I agree with everything above. Terrible pocket presence, I was sayin that to my buddy on the way to teh game.

    He cant read a defense.

    And lets not forget, half the time he does make the right decision, he is incredibly inaccurate
     
  12. #28Martin

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    Their OL is average at best ... He doesn't have one of the better OL's in the league. He's gotten smashed all season and they open no holes for Greene, either. Yes, Mangold, Moore and Brick are fine but the other two are terrible.

    That being said, Sanchez isn't anything to brag about, either.
     
  13. Rex's Sweater Vest

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    The past two seasons we have had one of the best o lines in the league, this year not so much, but even as bad as we think the o line is, we are still in the better half of the league in regards to o line. Imagine what sanchez would be playing like if he had the bears o line for crying out loud, he is lucky to have what he has right now considering what other QBs have to deal with.
     
  14. Br4d

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    Yep. The pass protection has been terrible this season and Sanchez has consistently been pressured. What he does with that pressure is another question. A really polished QB, a Drew Brees for example, would be throwing a LOT of balls away and watching his completion percentage drop into the high 50's as a result.

    Sanchez is holding the ball when he shouldn't and completing a few passes more than he should, which is why his completion percentage has remained pretty stable this year and is actually on the rise. But he's also taking sacks that he shouldn't and putting the ball on the ground more often than he should.

    I'm happy with him as the QB as long as he is learning from what's going on this season. He has clearly gotten over the "just throw it up there and hope" attitude that lead to the 20 picks his rookie season. He's gotten over the "go head first when you're running on every play" thing, which would lead to injuries if continued. He only goes head first now when he has too. If he gets over the "have to make something happen on every play" thing then the travails of this season will have been worth something.

    But to hell with the Jets if they are stupid enough to keep shuffling the receivers every year and double-visioning scrubs into offensive line starters. If they keep that up there's no way Sanchez will ever turn out to be good enough to make up the difference. That way lies David Carr and Tim Couch, just on a longer descent.
     
  15. inSANITy

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    Thank You Michael Kay

    I love when people in the comfort of their own homes say that some of the sacks were his fault. Question, did you see the routes that were run down field to see if those players were open?

    The answer is no.


    Anyone who thinks they can disect a problem on a football team who is only watching the game at their house and doesn't know the actual play/scheme that is being run on a particular play honestly can't talk shit.


    All the time I hear Cromartie sucks dick did you see that td he gave up!!!!!!!$%^!$@%!

    When in actuality he was playing a flat zone.


    Oh Sanchez sucks he under threw that wide receiver by a mile HES GAHBAGE!!!@^#*@!

    How do you know the wide receiver didn't run the wrong route.

    Pouha sucks he gets no pressure!!!!

    Maybe hes not supposed be getting pressure but just blocking two guys so others can get pressure

    I'm tired of retards analyzing shit they really know nothing about.
     
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  16. DemoIsland

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    Wow you just showed how knowledgeable you really are. I won't degrade you for your worthless comment. You should go watch the game again. I had it on DVR, if you like I'll burn you a copy and mail it to your house? Then you can analyze it and talk shit like me in your own home.

    JETS went empty backfield. Mulligan got beat by Carter. Instead of stepping up into the pocket, Sanchez slid right into the pass rusher.

    Patriots went rush 3, JETS pass protected 5. Sanchez held the ball and then scrambled directly into Carter.
     
  17. inSANITy

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    LMAO says the poster who thinks we should pick up Peyton Manning.


    Note: Didn't read your post
     
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    We have a winner!!!!
     
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    Bingo.....another winner.
     
  20. ugggghhh

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    Hello all,

    I just registered on this forum to give my insight on Sanchez. I first want to state that I am a dolphins fan. I know you guys probably think I'm just a troll or something, even though I'm not exactly sure what that is, but the dolphins had a very similar situation with Henne. There were fans that thought he just sucked and would always suck, and others that thought it was more the offensive coordinators fault. I was one that thought he had talent but the offense around him was horrible. Henne and Sanchez also had very similar issues. Staring down recievers, constant checkdowns, boneheaded interceptions, and horrible pocket awareness. We got a new offensive coordinator over the off season and the changes were incredible. Even though he stats weren't great, mainly couldn't score in the redzone, the guy was a completely different quarterback. He was scanning the field, limiting his interceptions, and was doing a great job of moving around the pocket and avoiding sacks. Again, I'm not saying he was incredible or anything, but for the first year under a new coordinator he did a complete 180 and his play was top 15 qb material as opposed to bottom 10. My point being I think sanchez could do the same thing. A new offensive coordinator can make a HUGE difference. I think you guys gotta give him 1 more year under a new OC and also bring in some sort of decent compitition to get him motivated. If he still sucks after that then cut your losses and look for somebody else. But I really think you do have to give him that 1 more year under somebody new. I probably wouldn't be saying this if Henne didnt do better under our new coordinator, and alot of you will probably still think he sucked...but I'm telling you the changes were incredible over just a year. Like I said still not great but he really did look like a new quarterback. So thats my opinion on your situation because like I said it was very similar to ours. And I know jet fans hate dolphin fans and vise versa but I'm not here to rip on you guys or anything just trying to give my honest input.
     

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