Listening to Beningo now and he made what I feel is an accurate point,” there’s talent if it’s coached properly.” I’m actually inclined to agree, yet disagree. Agree: The WR core I actually like. 3 of the guys have the POTENTIAL to be #1 wr’s and at least are 2/3 guys on other teams. I like Kearse in the 3 spot. We al love Powell and that idiot Crowell reminds me of a less physical, slightly quicker Ivory. . Disagree: concentration, the ability to focus, falls under talent here. I’m starting to think these wide open guys aren’t the result of Bowles, but these morons blowing it. None of us followed the cardinals while he was there, but I doubt he had things like that happening. Is Robby doing nothing this year a result of bad coaching? Or is he not putting in the work? How many times has Darron Lee been right there with a guy(presumably due to the right call) yet the pass goes through? Does it really come down to coaching when these guys commit holding penalties? He makes them do push-ups and what not right? But if Leo gets a late hit late, is that in him? I keep going back and fourth on this. I’m frustrated too and wouldnt cry if we junked him..but if the plan was to bottom out and be really is doomed by morons, is it fair to blame him? Conversely if he is holding them back, I’ll be happy to drive him to the airport. What say you boys?
I think we have a lack of talent. I don't think the coaching has been doing any favors--but I think the coaches are frustrated that the players are playing sloppy. How many blown coverages did we witness? That's on the players, they just can't even find the right guy to run with...ridiculous. Now, whether the players are playing sloppy BECAUSE of the coaches, perhaps, but that's up for debate.
Talent or not, the coaching staff has to put its players in a position to succeed. If coaches are insisting to put players in schemes their physicality cannot support, it is the coaches' responsibility to work around that. This coaching staff is still trying to jam square puzzle pieces into circle slots. It's mind boggling.
Of course it's both, but the basic fact is that coaching DOES make a difference. Why else are there coaches that regularly succeed and others who don't? WInning coaches figure out ways to overcome obstacles, whatever they are. And yes, sometimes when a team has very little talent, the coach can work his ass off, actually make a difference, but not enough of a difference to win. But that's not the case with Bowles. This is his 4th year and he's STILL making the same kinds of mistakes/bad decisions he did his first year. Kicking a FG down 3 scores in the 1st half? Punting down 3 scores with under 5 minutes to go? Wasted time outs. Lack or discipline. Lack of in-game adjustments. If you're a Bowles supporter no doubt you can rationalize all of this, and give "reasons" to offset each charge, but here's what you CAN'T do: refute his record, despite changing players (including almost all the premium picks on "D") and coaches. We've stuck with him 2 years plus too long. He will ruin Darnold - this alone is grounds to fire him NOW.
They both suck. I tend to be very pro coach, because I think they are in general the first line of defense against the fandom. But you'd be crazy if you thought Bowles was coaching this talent to be their best. But in the same breath, the talent is pretty bare. I'd call this 5-6 win talent, with a 3-4 win coach.
I heard that 1-6 stat yesterday and was blown away. And I’m not saying we have SB talent with bad coaching, or sb coaching with bad talent, I’m trying to figure out what the bigger issue is. I agree you need continuity to win, and although I’m young for Pete Carol I heard this Bowles scenario is similar. P said he’s a moron, fire him, now look! If the guy has been setup to fail we can’t kill him.. Just trying go avoid the carrol scenario is all
Love the username and the movie..May you and Bowles get all the ex-hookers and Arizona trips money can by!
This is a really young football team. I expect a lot of execution failures. However, the biggest execution failures seem to be coming from our CBs, who are some of the most experienced guys on the field. It doesn't help a young team's confidence when the Coach displays his lack of confidence in them by doing things like kicking and punting when they're behind late and every chart in the world says GO FOR IT.
As Yogi used to say, 90% of the game is talent, the other half is coaching. Seriously, I believe that talent makes the difference on offense, but good defense can be coached.
Great post. And heres the thing.These are all Bowles guys! Its no longer holdovers from a prior regime or stopgaps.These are all his core guys,draft picks or high priced free agents.The one exception is edge rusher The players on D dont exonerate Bowles system st this stage
Carroll was fired after 1 year, Bowles in his 4th. More than enough time to show us he can do it, and he hasn't.
Lack of talent shows up as all these stupid, unnecessary flags, amirite? And yes, holding penalty IS coaching issue. Believe it or not. If the LBs and DBs commit holding penalty on a passing play, that means they don't know where they should be standing with respect to the receiver, and which technique they should use to guard the receiver - and consequently get beaten. The last resort there is that dreaded holding. Or the OL committing holding on the DL and OLBs? That's ALSO coaching. The OL must know when to maintain holding the jersey, and when to let go. And to avoid being seen by refs, they must be taught how to use their footwork to maintain proper positioning. If CS don't coach the OL properly, there is going to be a flag on holding almost every passing down. So... Yes. Holding penalties ARE a coaching issue more than anything. How do we address it? Making them do push-ups is going to cure the problem? How? ===================================================== Look. No professional wants to suck at his craft, regardless of the field of the expertise. So if the players come with every good intention to improve and get better but STILL suck, there can only be two problems; either the player is a complete moron, or his coaching staff is failing very, VERY hard. My rhetoric question above comes from the same line of reasoning; if the players just have no fucking clue how to do it right in the first place, what good does it accomplish to make them do push ups for flags? I agree that Jets do have some talent deficiencies here and there, but that shouldn't mean the entire fucking team keeps getting stupid flag on almost all phases of the game.
Holding could be a coaching issue if it were officiated properly. The Pats, Saints, and Packers have five guys holding every play of every game, and they rarely get called for it. Teams that don't have a superstar at QB-- they have to be very careful.
Dead on. If a player is proven to be accomplished - not necessarily All Pro, but decent, he probably doesn't make that many mistakes, i.e. holding flags, so maybe making him do push ups is enough to remind him to stay focused. But with players who are mediocre at best, who often get flagged, push ups isn't gonna fix that. They need URGENCY to redouble their efforts at getting good, if at all possible, and to me, nothing provides urgency like taking away his playing time. If he STILL doesn't improve, then cut his ass and find someone else.
Let me ask you a question. Is getting penalized a lot a sign of good coaching or bad coaching? I only ask that because the Jets are actually 22nd in penalties and if you look at the most penalized teams, they are mostly really good teams with good coaching. Pittsburgh is No. 1, Philadelphia is No. 2, Jacksonville 3, Houston 5, KC 6 Atlanta 7 those are the most penalized teams with the most penalty yards. KC had several holding penalties called on them last night. Last nights game was the best played game I've watched this year. That's not a defense of Bowles. If your team wins and has a lot of penalties it could be the team is actually putting players in position where holding is more visible because of creativity in a scheme. Just for clarity I think the HC of Houston sucks. He's a 3 to 7 point liability every game.
