How does this Grab you? #04 - DE Mario Williams #29 - OLB Kamerion Wimbley #35 - CB Antonio Cromartie hmy:
That'd be a nice haul. Even if Wimbley/Cromartie are really Carpenter/Joseph, I think we should be happy. Spend rounds 3-7 on OL and BPA.
Better yet (trade down w/ Raiders, then Broncos): 15 Broderick Bunkley DT 22 Eric Winston OT 29 Antonio Cromartie CB 35 Max-Gene Guilles OG 38 Mathias Kiwanuka DE
I'd love that, especially Bunkley. But I think we need an offensive playmaker like an RB ( Addai) or QB within of the first three picks.
Actually, I would say that that is way worse than the above scenario. Furthermore, it is highly doubtful that we trade down once, let alone twice. Fantasy world...
Omar Jacobs, Brodie Croyle, or Charlie Whitehurst may bring batter value than the big three (they would certainly be more cap friendly). The depth at RB looks pretty good as well. We could always get our QB and RB next year if nothing pans out.
Because I think Kiwanuka is going to suck so I don't think he can play 3-4 End or LB Because I don't think Bunkley is going to be a NT so it kinda defeats the purpose of taking a DT. I would much rather take Williams to play 3-4 end because he is bigger and a better player. Because I think it is a waste to pick a Guard that high when we need centers and tackles. Because I don't really want Cromartie at #29, I think we should take either Lawson or Mangold or Watson or Winston. I wouldn't mind Cromartie at #35 though.
1. There is no way Cromartie drops to # 35. 2. Bunkley can play DE or DT in a 3-4. Williams would only play DE. 3. If we need tackles and centers so badly, why not take one with our first three picks? 4. Kiwanuka had trouble with Fergeson but I think a lot of players will have the same problems with Fergeson. As he won't make it past round two, a lot of people disagree with you about him sucking. Also, picking a player that sucks with pick # 38 is much better for us than taking a player that sucks with pick # 4.
I'm all for our first pick being Mario Williams and then Wimbley or Lawson with the 29th pick. Then I would take an OT with the 35th pick. I don't see them taking a cornerback that high. One thing about Mangini is I think he can take average cornerbacks and make them good by teaching them technique. If we were able to get 2 front 7 defensive players and a massive Offensive tackle that would set us in the right direction. Of course if Mario Williams is taken with the 2nd pick....
I gotta be honest, going into a 3-4 I dont want williams. I still want DBrick if he is available. then at 29 go d-line(gabe watson?) or MJG.
It wont necessarily be technique as much as it will be scheme. Besides Law and Harrison the Pats havent had great people in the seconday (Eugene Wilson, Duane Starks) but they understood their job and how not to try and do more than their job. That is always what Bellicheck and Mangini were about
Why not? It is a drop of 6 picks. I'd say it is not out of the question. And since I'm not in love with him, I'd prefer to take the risk on him instead of like Manny Lawson or Nick Mangold. Who do you think will take him in picks #30 - #34? True but Williams would be in my opinion a much better DE than Bunkley. I think that is pretty obvious thus far. I think we already have a pretty good DE/DT 'tweener in DeWayne Robertson. Also, Kimo can bounce back and forth. Do we really need another guy who plays the same position? Especially since DeWayne Robertson isn't going anywhere anytime soon with his contract. If we were going to take someone who could play inside, why not Gabe Watson at #29? I wouldn't be opposed to that and would be a heck of a lot more excited than taking Bunkley. However, don't get me wrong. I think Bunkley is an excellent prospect and will be a good player in the league, but I just don't think he fits our defense right now. Exactly. I never said I thought Jabba's draft was perfect, in fact, in another thread I said that we need to draft at least one tackle or center in the first 3 picks. Either D'Brick at #4, Winston or Mangold or McNeil at #29 or #35 First, I have seen a decent amount of Kiwanuka and I am just not impressed. What has he done since his sophomore/junior year? Second. are you implying that Mario Williams sucks? Because I'd say a lot of people will disagree with you about that.
Williams looks better than Kiwanuka but the draft is not a sure thing. Drafting a DE in round two involves a lot less cost and risk than drafting a DE at # 4. There are other DEs (Lawson, etc.) that will also be available to us in the second round. As for Cromartie, any team picking after Jacksonville would be lucky if he slips past them. If he is there at # 29 I would not roll the dice and see if I could get him later unless an extremely good player drops to us there. If Ellis is a DE and you want Williams to also play DE do you want Robertson to play DT? If so, how do you think he would do there? Also, my point about OT was that you said my draft was "much worse" than Jabba's yet my draft included Eric Winston. Winston would be a huge upgrade over anything we have now.
I think DeWayne can play the Nose but we probably won't renew his contract when it expires because he won't be ideal. I don't think he can play DE. I also don't think Kiwanuka can play 3-4 end or 3-4 OLB so I think he is a waste. I don't think the Steelers, Seahawks, Colts, Texans or Saints are going to draft Cromartie. I think there is a better chance of him being taken before #29 then in picks 30-34
If the Jets can sign Runyan I really like this scenario and then taking an interior lineman with the 3rd rounder. If the Jets can't add a quality lineman in free agency than I don't know if they have the luxury to wait until the 3rd round for OL help.
