...do we want him. I would not give up any picks for Ramsey, especially to that prick in Washington. If the Jets want a guy to compete with Pennington or push him, McCown is the guy. Stronger arm, faster feet, fiery temper. Ramsey is a pussy, and we've got enough of those here.
Ramsey sure looked like a Pussy when he beat the Jets with his arm and feet. Jeez, its all about price and value. Do you think that he can develop into the QB you want? Gibbs just likes old QB's.
Being from the DC area the scoop on Ramsey is this. He is one of the toughest QB,s in the league. He took a beating a couple years ago every game all game and got up every time. The problem is he throws interceptions ALOT and they always seem to come at crucial points in the game. I watched every Skins game for the past 10 years (Tivo when the Jets were on since sunday ticket) not because I like them...quite the opposite actually. Bottom line-we do not want Ramsey. Bad decisions=too mant picks.
The only way Ramsey is of value to us is if he comes dirt cheap and we can stand him up in front of defenses for 16 weeks. The only thing he's impressed me with is the beating he can take.
A lot of that has to do with Spurrier. He never did anything to provide Ramsey with protection. Ramsey is similar to Bledsoe, but with a bit more mobility. If you protect him, he can look brilliant. If you get constant pressure on him, he'll look terrible.
Not only did Brunnell start over him but they brought in Campbell in the first round last year for the future. Ramsey is a below average starter but a solid backup.
I'm not convinced Ramsey is as bad as Gibbs thinks. Maybe he didn;t fit Gibbs philosophy, but for whatever reason, Ramsey was not given a shot in Washington. Gibbs acquired Brunell before he watched Ramsey throw a single pass.
I don't think he ever got a fair shot with Gibbs. He started the first half of the first game. Gibbs returned to football with a win now mentality, and Brunell, a veteran with playoff experience, in his opinion gave him the best chance to do so.
would you rather get ramsey for our 4th rder aquired for herm and still have our 1st? or draft cutler with our 1st and keep the 4th rounder?
4th? The rumors that I have seen is that he can be had for a 6th. If he does come that cheap then I would do it. Spurrier destroyed this kid and Gibbs didnt help the situation at all.
i like ramsey but i dont know how he would do with coles again, they didnt seem to have much chemistry before
Im in no way supporting the signing of Ramsey BUT remember FAVRE was also a backup who could not get a starting job at one point either..If the price is right I see no reason not to give ghim a shot IF and only IF we are not going to draft a QB
Really, its Ramsey that wants out of D.C. He's been jerked around, given only 24 starts in 4 years and is basically fed up. He wants to be a starter and nothing less (which could be a problem).Gibbs has actually heaped a lot of praise on Ramsey, regarding both his ability and temperment. It looks like Gibbs has invested too much in Campbell, so the writing is on the wall for Ramsey. If Ramsey is given protection, he can prosper...but otherwise he will take a ton of sacks. He holds onto the ball too long, when his ability to scamble is almost as bad as a guy like Bledsoe. He does have a strong arm...as S.Moss raved about it last year in training camp. He got benched because Gibbs does not tolerate consistent mental mistakes. This may be due to his inexperience. If he can be picked up for a 4th or 5th round pick, I say its worth the gamble.
Why take Cutler with our 1st round pick when we can get Ramsey with a second day pick? Ramsey has more tools than Cutler and if he was in this draft would go ahead of Cutler. If we can get Ramsey we take Mario Williams who is the most sure thing player in this draft and we take OL with the pick for Abe and sign McGinest and Sam Adams. I never do this shit but I think these moves would really put us in a position to stabilize the team. Ramsey has very little mobility but he can throw the ball and he is big and strong. He needs the attention that a young staff that is not in a must win now mood like Gibbs can give him.
Winston, Great post. This makes a lot of sense. I happen to save this in favorites from a couple days ago....a Packer article. Packers look good to ?Super Mario? Mario Williams of North Carolina State goes through drills during last week?s NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis. Darron Cummings/The Associated Press Mario Williams profile Name: Mario Williams. Nickname: Super Mario. College: North Carolina State. Position: Defensive end. Height: 6-foot-7 Weight: 295 pounds. Player most often compared to: Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers. Fun fact: Williams? favorite player growing up was former Green Bay Packers defensive end Reggie White. By Dylan B. Tomlinson PackersNews.com North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams spent last week at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis erasing almost any doubt that he will be the first defensive player taken in the NFL draft. Williams ran the 40-yard dash in 4.71 seconds, which is incredibly fast for a player who is 6-foot-7 and 295 pounds. His vertical jump was 40 inches. He bench-pressed 225 pounds 35 times. Williams is already being compared favorably with Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers, a two-time Pro Bowl selection who was taken second overall in 2002. All the Green Bay Packers can do is hope Williams is still available when they pick at No. 5. ?He looks like what you would draw up,? said Ted Thompson, the Packers? general manager. ?You want him to get off the bus first.? Williams is humbled to be mentioned in the same breath as Peppers. ?It's actually an honor. He's a great player,? Williams said. ?Just to be compared to somebody like that I take that very highly. I'm thankful.? It would appear there?s a good chance Williams will be available when the Packers pick. The Houston Texans are expected to take Southern Cal running back Reggie Bush with the top pick and the New Orleans Saints, Tennessee Titans and New York Jets will likely decide between a trio of quarterbacks, Southern Cal?s Matt Leinart, Texas? Vince Young and Vanderbilt?s Jay Cutler. Virginia tackle D?Brickashaw Ferguson also projects as a possible top-five pick. Williams said he expects to be in Green Bay next season. ?I?d love that. Playing for the Packers, that?s a dream man,? Williams said. ?I don?t know what?s going to happen, but I?d love to play in Green Bay.? If the Packers take Williams with the No. 5 pick, the hope is he will be an immediate impact player. The Packers haven?t had a difference-maker on the defensive line since Reggie White left after the 1998 season. Thompson saw first-hand how important having a strong defensive line is to a football team?s success. In 1996 and 1997 when he was working under former GM Ron Wolf, the Packers had one of the NFL?s best defensive lines. ?In 1996, we were fortunate enough to have a defensive line made up of Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown and Reggie White,? Thompson said. ?We had some other great players on our team, but if you go back and look at it from a historical standpoint, that was the strength of that team.? For the last seven seasons, the defensive line has been anything but a position of strength for the Packers. They have scoured the draft and free agency desperate for a impact pass rusher but have had little success, especially after taking Jamal Reynolds with the 10th pick in the 2001 draft and giving Joe Johnson a six-year, $33 million contract as a free agent in 2002. Both players were colossal busts. ?I think probably in free agency or the draft or anywhere else I think you can step off into pretty deep waters on the defensive line,? Thompson said. ?But at that same time, if you get a good one ...? While Williams is expected to be taken in the top 10 like Reynolds, the comparison should end there. While Reynolds played at slightly more than 250 pounds, Williams is a relatively lean 295, which means he could add more weight and could be used at defensive tackle. ?It really doesn't matter,? Williams said. ?I played defensive tackle, outside linebacker and defensive end this year. I moved up and down the line, I really feel like I can play anywhere.? If there are any reasons to be concerned about Williams, it?s that he struggled at the beginning of last season before finishing strong. Williams finished the season with 13 sacks and 23? tackles for loss. ?He had some up and down games this year, as most people do,? Thompson said. ?But he's a tremendously talented kid.? Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he was impressed with everything he?s seen so far on Williams. ?He is a remarkable athlete. His size, he looks to have everything,? McCarthy said. ?He looks to be a special player in this league.? Some initial draft reports on Williams said he doesn?t play hard on every down, but fellow North Carolina State defensive end Manny Lawson completely rejected that notion. ?There?s no way,? Lawson said. ?His numbers were great, but if people think they were down at all it?s because every team we played ran the ball away from him. Teams were scared to death of Mario.? The Packers have been looking for that type of player for the last seven seasons and Williams thinks he has the ability to be a defensive force for years to come. ?I really think I?ll be an impact player. That?s what it?s all about, making the team better,? Williams said. ?I think whoever takes me is going to be pretty happy.? Dylan B. Tomlinson covers the Green Bay Packers for the Post-Crescent of Appleton. He can be reached at dtomlinson@postcrescent.com.
Actually....no. He was never given a fair chance at the job. Gibbs had a prior personal relationship with Brunell and brought him in as "his guy". The only real opportunity Ramsey got was under Spurrier, but he jerked QBs in and out of the lineup and never gave Ramsey the confidence he needed to establish himself. I believe that in a stable environment with good coaching Patrick Ramsey can be a good, if not very good, NFL QB. The risk vs. reward on this move makes it a no-brainer.
Does this not apply to 99% of the QB's in the NFL? (On a sad note the 1% is Tom Brady. He was great this year even though his line was less than spectatular)
