I was looking for video on this but couldnt find it but I would like to know how that was called a completed pass. If I am not mistaken, Homles jumped in the air catch the ball and then was grabbed in mid air and carried out of bounds. By rule shouldnt this be incomplete since there is no more force out rule. Im happy the ref missed it, since they so many bad calls against us in that game but just thought with everything else they were calling, how could they have missed that.
His elbow hit the ground before he went out. ....and it might have been far enough away from the sideline to count as forward progress. (?)
he got slammed to the turf on his elbow and head. That guy tried to carry him out of bounds but to no avail...
i think the refs would have called that one complete - i don't think you can catch a player and walk him out of bounds. Has to be one fluid motion where a receiver is forced out not carried
I had thought he was pretty close to the sideline for him to have gotten any part of his body down. And Im sure you could understand the question after all the crazy calls, especially the calvin jackson TD no-catch. (lost money in my weekly pool on that game) But if yall saw the elbow hit, thats fine with me.
Like forward progress? I can see that. But the way that game was being called I'm glad he hit the turf..just sayin'...and it was close.
I was thinking the ref was going to call him out as well. Didn't realize the elbow counted as being inbounds.
He was in, but now that you bring it up, I haven't heard anyone comment on how that play set up the game winning PI play. Exact same route, except the second time Holmes faked that he was running the shorter route and broke deep. The defender bit hard leaving Holmes one on one. Great play calling and great route running.
I'm sure you can't just pick a guy up and carry him out of bounds for an incompletion. That'd be a disaster.
You certainly can. There is no force out rule. If Leonhard would have gotten under the wideouts leg and pushed him up and out, that TD last week would have been null.
But that's different from the question of say someone coming over the middle of the field for a catch, then D. Harris catches the receiver in the air and carries him 20 yards out of bounds without letting his feet hit the ground. I can't think that any sane ref would call that incomplete, but I can't see this situation referenced anywhere.
as absurd as that situation is, it would still be at the mercy of the rules which require a receiver to come down in bounds. unless the forward progress rules state it applies to the act of a catch, the officials would be in violation to the receiving rules which require the receiver to land in bounds, regardless of the situation, to utilize it. luckily, such a situation is so extreme it doesn't need to be accounted for. as far as real probabilities to the game, if a receiver is close enough to the sideline that they could be prevented from coming down in bounds, even if it is a DB who keeps them airborne for an extra step beyond what is natural, than it is a no catch.
they really need to start teaching that. regardless it's probably a .02 second reaction time, but everytime a receiver is airborne they need to just flip receivers leg upwards.
That's right with respect to the elbow. If I recall correctly, if a receiver who has control of the football touches inbounds with ANY part of his body other than hands or feet, he has made a successful reception. This is where the saying (and truism) that "one knee equals two feet in football," comes from. IIRC, an elbow down in the reception counts the same with respect to the conditions for a completed pass before going out of bounds.
While the elbow did definitely hit the ground, it didn't seem like the ref actually noticed that. It seems like he just assumed that since he caught the ball so far in bounds that it had to have been a catch...I didn't notice the elbow until the replay while looking out hard for any part hitting the ground.
