I?ve been looking for a good Jets board and Gang Green looks like the best on the net. Obviously I?m a Duck homer based on my user name. There seems to be a misconception about KC?s (Kellen Clemens) arm strength. This is probably due to the conflicting scouting reports. Some have said his arm is mediocre, while others have said it?s strong. I swear some of the scouting reports just copy what others have said and don?t do their homework. I?ve watched all of KC?s games and his arm strength is above average by NFL standards IMHO. He can wing it 70-75 yards. His arm is definitely stronger than Leinart?s. His arm is more than strong enough to play in harsh conditions. In college, Oregon had some windy and rainy games. Clemens hails from Burns, Oregon, which is bitterly cold during the football season. I don?t think KC will have a hard time adjusting to the New York football weather. KC throws the deep outs and seem patterns with great zip and accuracy. His deep ball is a bit inconsistent; sometimes he doesn?t get enough air under it. KC can throw the ball with multiple release points?side arm and over the top. He throws on the run and against his body very well. It?s hard to project how well a QB will do in the NFL. QBs are dependent on their supporting cast, coaches and scheme. That being said, I think Clemens has a decent shot at making it. He?s very, very tough and willing to take a big hit to make a big play. He?s also a pretty darn good athlete even though he may not look it. A smidge under 6?2?, he can easily dunk a basketball. He?s got all the tools and intangibles needed to succeed in the NFL. As for the Jets, I?m a huge Curtis Martin fan. That guy is not only a great RB but a class act through and through. I can remember the days of the NY sack exchange and bombs from Richard Todd to Wesley Walker. I think it was very prudent to draft Ferguson and Mangold; both should be stalwarts on the line for the next decade. Schlegel looks like a throwback and the kinda guy that sets the tone for the D. The skill players on offense are very marginal. As much as I respect Martin, his best years are behind him, although he may have a year or two of greatness left in him. How did Blaylock look last year? IMHO the running game is probably the weak link of the offense. I?m not sure if the receivers fit Mangini?s system but at least they're proven veterans. I think Brad Smith is the sleeper of the Jets draft even if they reached to get him. He could become the next Hines Ward, a converted college QB turned wideout. I wouldn?t worry about Smith wanting to play QB in the NFL. Once he looks at the playbook and the competition, he?ll gladly make the switch. He?ll also get on the field faster. I wonder if Mangini will use him to return punts and kicks? I think Mangini may have liked Clemens because he plays very well in the shotgun. If he?s going to implement a version of the spread with 3-4 receivers like the Patriots ran, then he took a QB that has a quick and accurate release with some ability to make plays with his feet. Is Mangini going to run a 3-4 on defense? Is that why he took Schlegel to play on the inside? If they run a 3-4, who?s the NT? In a 3-4, my guess is that Vilma will play on the outside where he can use his speed. The corners look very average, especially with the departure of Ty Law, and without a decent pass rush they could get burned. I?ll be rooting for the Jets, although fantasy football has tainted my loyalties big time and the fact the great state of Oregon doesn?t have its? own NFL team.
great first post with clemens insight! welcome to the board and we are gonna use the 3-4 but i personally dont want to move vilma to the outside because he is the one proven commodity on our team. Why mess with his sucess? Im really banking that the coaching staff could maximize bryant thomas's physical tools to mold him into a mcginest type pass rusher.
Great first post, and thanks for the great insight on KC. Jets are going to be a 3-4 team, with DeWayne at the NT. Got a question on KC? How was he in picking up the many offenses that Oregon has had the past few years. Do you think it'll be a big time jump to the NFL for Kellen, or will he be able to pick up the playbook quickly? Also, how's Johnathan Stewart doing as a duck?
KC's head will be swimming at first.... ...but he's a smart kid. He might look hesitant at minicamp since he'll be thinking instead of reacting. He'll pick up the offense by the start of the season. He played for 3 different coordinators and 2 different schemes while at Oregon. His first couple of years he got the crapped kicked out of him as the line was very mediocre. Jonathan Stewart is a manchild. He's only 19 but he's 5'10", weighs 234#, benches 410# and runs a sub 4.4. Since Oregon runs the spread, his touches will be limited compared to a traditional I-formation. For his size, he's very fast and quick. If he played for Oklahoma or USC, he'd get a lot more pub but I expect him to get drafted in the first round if he stays healthy.
How is his arm "above average" if he can throw it 70 yards like you just said? That makes no sense to me.
I think alot of the negative reports about his arm came from his combine workout, in which he performed on that bad ankle. That's obviously going to affect your throwing motion. The reports really seem to be all over the place. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how he does in camp.
Do you consider 70 yards better than above average? I think over 80 is superior. I've seen KC throw it 65 yards in a game.
Are you kidding me? Have you ever watched the QB challenges on NFL Network or ESPN? Most of them don't get 70 let alone 65...
That still doesn't make any sense...I doubt there are even 5 players who can throw it 80. 70 yards is a monster throw
That's why they call it "elite" arm strength. Only a handful of QBs can throw it that far. 65-70 yards is probably better than above average, but now it's just a matter of semantics.
Thanks for the insight on KC. From the tape I saw, his arm looks plenty strong, and I was extremely impressed with how he threw across his body on the run, just like you said. I've heard reports that the only player with a stronger arm than KC in the draft was Cutler, and then I hear that his arm is only average, so someone's not telling the truth. From what I've seen, he looks great. I just hope that ankle won't be an issue.
Thats pretty much what I said. If Clemens can throw it 70 that is GREAT. Carson Palmer has one of the top arms in the NFL and I think he throws it about that far. We have seen Clemens throw it 65 in an actual game so that is good enough for me.
yeah im reading this board, and im like, can ANYBODY throw it 70? thats from the goal line, to the opposing 30, im not sure nebody, can do that. and if so, maybe a handful of qbs can do it. :hackett:
Guys who can toss it over 70 yards Favre Brooks (Aaron) Culpepper Vick McNabb Palmer Bledsoe Big Ben McNair
Great first post, Duck: thanks for the insights on Clemmens. To be honest I sincerely hope that if does get game time this coming season that it is limited; as you say we have marginal playmakers on offence, and a first year player under centre is going to need as many playmakers as he can get in the NFL, no matter how many throws he can make. If a couple of our offensive players do step up and start to produce this season, I hope Kellen is given a run. I suspect, though, that if Kellen is called upon to play it will be under less than ideal conditions: he is probably our second stringer behind Ramsey as noone knows where Penny is at with his shoulder. Despite our refit of our O Line in the draft we are still going to have problems there while D Brick and Mangold learn the ways of the NFL, and I can see our QB on his back more than once, especially early in the season. Defensively I think it will be come more and more apparent that missing out on Gocong in the draft will come back to bite the Jets: I am hoping that as the season goes on that the big change for the defence compared to last season is that the offence stays on the field a lot longer than what we managed last year. Our defence played pretty well considering they spent much of the game on the field: they'll play even better if they get to rest more during the game, and our offense soaks up some clock time.
