Greg Roman Fired! Guess we really did kick their asses... :)

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  1. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes = No real threat at WR? I'll give ya that Mark made some boneheaded plays, but he had more than enough talent around him to be successful.
    It was Rex who rang the "Ground and Pound" bell, it had nothing to do with the players he had. Rex would have ran the same offense if Montana was the QB.
     
  2. RonPi

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    i wouldn't say Rex is bad coach, or just full of hot air either.
    you don't win 4 playoff games, and essentially post a .500 career record with poor QB options on just hot air alone.

    Rex has shown he can produce with good talent.
    And like most coaches, he's shown he'll struggle with lack of talent.
    He hasn't done a great job evolving, or building on his strengths though, which is proving problematic in Buffalo. That's certainly a fair criticism.

    The OC firing was a panic move, and not a well thought out one.
    Roman was not a bad OC imo, and i thought a good pairing with Rex from a philosophical standpoint.
    just don't see how promoting Anthony Lynn with no experience helps progress Taylor and that O.
    going 0-2 didn't warrant a knee jerk reaction like that. at this point, i think it'll be another clean sweep across Buffalo at years end, setting that franchise back even further with another rebuild..
     
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    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    Do you honestly and truly believe that?
     
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    I do actually. He is routinely dropping top pass rushers into coverage. Despite obviously bad results. I can completely see him running ground anden pound with top tier QB, just to prove Rex was right all along.
     
  6. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Rex can fire and blame whomever he wants, but it's been the same every year. If he has a 3 point lead, they might as well play with a rock, cause Rex ain't throwing the ball.
     
  7. RonPi

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    Ryan can do one thing: scheme defensively, and even that isn't that consistent. If you give him a good
    team, he will play defensively pretty well and the offense will be mediocre. He doesn't evaluate personnel
    well at all, so he ends up driving his team into a telephone post. Also, the league has caught up with his
    schemes and he hasn't adapted. You need more than (defensive only) x's and o's to be a good coach in the NFL.

    Ron
     
  8. HomeoftheJets

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    Rexy for you. Says there's no excuses right after giving three excuses: injuries, suspensions, and whatevers.

    "Us against the world ... right now, we just know we have to get better in all phases," Ryan said. "Without question, we've had a lot of setbacks through injury, suspension, whatever. There's no doubt about it.

    "But nobody's feeling sorry for us. We certainly understand that. We're not feeling sorry for ourselves. We know we have to get better and we have plenty of capable guys that are playing for us. There's absolutely no excuses."
     
  9. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Rex Ryan reminds our Jets fan base just how fortunate we are to have a respected Todd Bowles as head coach. You'll never see a well disciplined/serious/focused Todd Bowles (as a man) putting another man's jersey number tattooed on his body. You just wouldn't.

    Thinking back T-Rex was more of a circus clown than that of even Tim Tebow.
     
  10. hastygreen

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    Yea, that was his thing no matter what personnel we had. At first we had the line and had the horses to do it. Eventually things deteriorated into a complete mess and he still tried to run the "Ground and Pound" in an increasingly pass happy league.

    2009 http://nypost.com/2009/10/26/ground-and-pound-pays-big-dividends-for-jets/ (It's working)

    2010 http://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/story?id=5769143&columnist=cimini_rich (get back to G&P)

    2011 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ts-will-go-back-to-ground-and-pound-approach/ (back to G&P AGAIN)

    2012 http://nypost.com/2012/01/14/sparano-says-ground-and-pound-back-for-jets/ (Hey, look at that a new OC and a new offensive beginn...... Sigh, nm the G& P is back again, AGAIN!)

    2013 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8825112/rex-ryan-new-york-jets-says-2013-new-beginning (Ok, finally ground and pound is dead)

    2014 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...game-aims-back-ground-pound-article-1.1906863 (well fuck, "Ground and Pound" has risen again. Will somebody PLEASE stake this sucker properly next time...)

    2015 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/21/rex-ryan-bills-will-run-50-times-a-game-if-we-can/ (Hey, hey the G&P show has been taken on the road)

    2016 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/0...coaches-rex-ryan-anthony-lynn-dennis-thurman/ (Only two games in and the OC is gone in favor of a Rex stooge and guess what time it is? Did you guess Ground and Pound? Good, cause that's what you are about to get)

    If I never hear, think, say or type Ground and Pound ever again; it's still too damn soon.
     
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    Again, only a moron would try to run a pass first offense when your worst starting player on offense is the QB. Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith literally killed your team with turnovers and mistakes. Only an idiot would want to give them the ball more and have them make even more decisions with the football. Of course you run ground and pound.
     
  12. Walt White

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    More excuses.

    Well Wrecks is about to be pounding the pavement outta town after he fucks this up with your so called "franchise QB".
     
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    Excuses for what?
     
  14. hastygreen

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    Only thing is that Sanchez was actually half way competent there for the first couple of seasons. His passer rating improved the first 3 seasons and with 2011 looking like he was about to turn the corner. The 09 season I get because we had Thomas Jones, Shonn Greene (while he was good) and Leon Washington. Additionally the O-line that year was road buster with Nick and Brick in their primes, Woody, Fanaca, and Moore. The combo of those guys allowed Rex to "Ground and Pound" until he was content.

    However, beginning in 2010 things started to turn over and the personnel dictated a change to a more pass oriented attack. Sanchez was inconsistent at the time but he wasn't anything like the abject mess he would eventually become. Sanzhez had his number called more by season 3 but rather than working on crafting an attack that complimented what he had or tried to improve the WR core. Rex was always looking at a return to his halycon days of 09. There was no way that run first Jet offense could be duplicated, but he's been trying like hell since 2010. Whenever things aren't working he defaults back to that up the gut "Ground and Pound" style. There is no way that will EVER be duplicated again, I mean, cmon, they ran like 60% of the time that year.

    The WR core developed nicely in 2010 and to give Rex credit the Jets did run a more balanced attack overall that season. However, whenever things weren't working he got right back to trying to blow the other team off the ball and run up the gut. Nobody was buying it anymore, but he kept trying.

    2009 Smith, J-Co, Edwards, Keller (most of the season)
    2010 Holmes, Edwards, Cotchery, Brad Smith (for those long bombs), Tomlinson (for those short bombs), Keller
    2011 Holmes, Burress, Kerley, Keller (best year), Tomlinson, Mason*

    The WR core dropped off after season 3 and really isn't worth mentioning. The running game also dropped off, in part because the QB play was ineffective and part because they no longer had the horses up front to move the ball. That didn't stop Rex from going back to it time and time again.

    To directly answer your question, yea giving it to a turnover prone QB's more is a problem. Thing is that the play calling never changes with Rex. He wants to run regardless of what you have on offense. You guys have Sammy Watkins and rather than trying to build an offense around him the G&P keeps coming up in conversation. The first thing Rex did was go out to get a RB so the Bills can "run 50 times if they want to". He's a creature of habit and he's gonna keep trying to play power football at the expense of everything else. Maybe he'll change, but I'll believe it when I see it. Having the backup QB run out on the field and split out wide on 3rd/4th down says it's not happening anytime soon.



    *Still burns that we lost J-Co because Rex saw he could get one of his guys from Balt and he did much to the determent of a home grown Jet. This would be repeated when the Ravens no longer felt Ed Reed deserved a roster spot. The victim this time was up and coming safety Antonio Allen. Anyway, J-Co was coming off injury but Mason was knocking on 40s' door.
     
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