I bring this up because last year, we made the move to 3 and the board was pretty split overall and darnold was a blessing to fall into our laps at 3 (thanks giants) but outside of darnold and for some people baker, there wasn't a happy consensus for a QB here. The "nightmare" scenario last year we worried about was darnold and baker going 1 and 2 leaving us to take allen or rosen at 3 which nobody here seemed excited about. this year at 3 this isn't the case and here is why scenario 1 murray goes 1st overall - this is the consciousness right now. if this happens that means we are guaranteed either bosa or allen which everyone here seems to be happy with either of them and maybe even our choice of the 2 is SF takes williams scenario 2 bosa and allen are the top 2 picks. this means that the 3rd pick will be a hot ticket for a team wanting to land murray. the raiders pick at 4 and likely won't pass on him, the giants at 6, denver at 10, and even miami and Washington are in the market for QBs. possibly cincy as well. there will be a team willing to give up a lot which helps fill more holes for us. Not only that but it's such a deep edge draft we could still land a burns, ferrell, sweat no matter where we drop down to. I don't see any way this draft could go badly for us with the 3rd pick. we either get a stud edge prospect or we get a good edge prospect and a ton more picks
i know i'm just saying last year we were all nervous and not really happy with the option of it possibly being allen or rosen. this year i think there isn't a scenario where we arne't happy with our 1st round pick. of course it is the jets so watch it be williams 3rd overall
Hey ive been as vocal as anyone about not taking another DL and Williams is not as perfect as meets the eye. But as time draws closer i realize that if hes the pick Ill support it..bc if he reaches his potential & does the same thing he did in college hes the next Deacon Jones & WILL cause Tom Shady all sorts of issues.
Exactly! With Mike Mac as GM all bets are off, things can always go awry. He could stay put at #3 and take Jonah Williams or Quinnen Williams. He could trade down and take Rashan Gary as our edge rusher and we could all wind up watching him be a bigger bust than Gholston. He could come out of the draft without taking a single center or OL. The possibilities are mind boggling!
Well now..lol... I've made my peace with Quinnon & would even tolerate Jonah as a Guard/RT...but Rashan Gary would be unforgivable.
you guys are such a holes lol for picking these players, if we pick Rashan Gary or Josh Jacobs, I might catch a case.
It would be hard to imagine them making a pick like that, but 3 is a good spot. As long as they take a top player or win a trade, it is hard to imagine a losing scenario.
3 is a good spot, but you can absolutely screw that pick up, even if the "top prospect" is available. For example, Q we all assume is the best prospect in the draft. Personally, Josh Allen might not be the best prospect in the draft (not by a large margin; but a blue chip talent), but he immediately addresses a position of need, the pick should be Allen. You don't take Q over a Josh Allen in that scenario.
The flaw with you rational is that is based on what the majority of what this board wants, not how Mac and the CS have the selection ranking done. So you can have both of Allen and Bosa available and we might very well go with Williams, making it a "hurting" draft situation for many of the fans here. Yet most all draft experts have Williams ahead of Allen, so it will boil down to the board desire for a pure pass rusher versus selecting the top DL once again. So Mac could hurt us from this board perspective, or may be find out that Williams was the right pick after all and make our DL the second best in the NFL.
I think #3 is way too high to take a RT/OG. I know that others would disagree with me, but that's my personal opinion. I could be wrong, but I just don't think Q. Williams would be that good a fit or that productive in our defense. If Allen or Bosa are sitting there at #3 and Mac takes Q. Williams, I won't be happy at all.
I totally agree. I don't think that saying a player is the best prospect in the draft means that you should necessarily take him. Is he the best fit for your offense or defense? For that matter, is he even a good fit, or might someone else be a better fit. Also, by how big a margin is the the best prospect. If only a couple of hundredths of a point separate him and a player at a position of real need, then imo you go with the player at the position of real need. In terms of the specific situation, it's questionable how good a fit and how productive Q. Williams might be in the Jets' D, but there are no questions about how good a fit or how productive Allen would be in our D. He would give our D the elite edge rusher that we haven't had since Jon Abraham. He would make our D the most flexible. He would be a great fit in both a 3-4 and 4-3 front. He would enable Greg Williams to disguise his coverages and blitzes and keep opposing offenses guessing. I could be wrong of course, but I think he has the potential to be the best player out of this draft. I don't like that Q. Williams only started for one season and only has elite production for one season. Allen has steadily improved every season, yet still as had very good, if not elite production for the last 3 years against top flight competition, and that without truly refined technique. Once his technique gets refined, the sky is the limit with him.
mac hasn't missed on a 1st rounder yet all things considered and so far both his top 10 picks made pro bowls so i mean i get the mac hate for the middle rounds, but come on now
He has been lucky, and the consensus top D pick in the draft has fallen to him. Would he have been as lucky if that player didn't fall to him and he had to draft someone else?
