Geno with and without Kerley in 2014 compare to Vick

You've made a good case for re - signing Kerley...
Geno looked good in 2-3 games, he has to do better consistently to keep his job. A better receiving corps will certainly help him and it is probably his job to lose, but the window for Rex to win is closing, another 8-8 year won't get it done for him.

 

This tells me that the main reason why Geno played so poorly last year was in large part due to his receivers.

Kerley was the teams best receiver last season and honestly he may have been the only legitimate option we had. Now we bring in Decker and Amaro, and the offensive weapons do a 180, they are immensely better. The Jets supplied Geno with high character, reliable pass catchers. They have also drafted 3 late round receivers. If even one of those guys can contribute, we'll be in good shape.

The ball is now in Geno's court. If he turns the corner and minimizes his mistakes than this is a playoff team at minimum. If he is terrible, than we know that Geno isn't the answer and we have a solid back up in Vick. We also know that QB is our number one need going into next season, and we'll already have a majority of the weapons for whoever the future QB is.

 

Geno had some awful games with Kerley too. I don't think that was the issue.

 

Kerley being there deff helped Geno though.

 

of course he did, he was our best WR but he still had some awful games w/ Kerley. it's not as black and white as those #s suggest.

 

When you have a young QB he needs stability on offense. Guys were in and out the lineup. Kerley missed games, Hill, Gates, Winslow, Holmes etc. The Jets were plucking guys off the street and practice squad. So that didn't help matters either. With that said the carrousel of skill positions didn't help matters, but he is mostly at fault for his poor play. Some of the things he was doing was inexcusable.

 

there were many reasons he struggled most of the year, the injuries to his weapons which weren't very good in the first place was 1 and the fact that he really wasn't ready to play in the NFL was another. He grew up late in the year, it is year 2 in the system, we have much more talent around him. I expect a leap from him.

 

For starters he needs to flip his numbers. He had 12 TD's and 21 INT's. I want to see 21 TD's and 12 INT's with about 59% completion 7 ypa, 90 QBR. And most in importantly I want him to pass the eye test. When I watch him play in '14. I want to feel like I'm watching a good QB at work.

 

I just want to feel confident we can win with him, whatever the #s say I don't care as much about that.

 

The one thing I like is that if you take Geno's 12 games with Kerley, that's a respectable season for a rookie. 18 Total TD's and 12 INT's (not sure on the fumbles) is a good year for a rookie, one that I would be very happy with.

Obviously you cannot just dismiss the 4 games he played poorly, but his lack of WR's is a pretty decent reason as to why he sucked.

 

I think this is the best pro Geno argument I've seen but it still has problems. Every quarterback has to have something to work with in terms of skill players to succeed and it was obvious that we were severely lacking in that category last year.

The biggest problem I see is that you're dealing strictly with statistics which I don't generally have a problem with but the sample size is already very small for an NFL season. When you take a quarter of the season away from an already small sample size you've got a pretty bad sample size for looking at just statistics.

There are some fundamental issues with Genos game that had nothing to do with his skill players too. His footwork was pretty awful and that directly correlates with being on time with his reads. He needs to come into camp with that really cleaned up or I don't think he has much of a shot of beating out Vick.

Related to the footwork issue ... he seemed to have issues with stepping into the pocket or sidestepping in the pocket and found himself back peddling far too often. I seem to remember him cleaning this part up as the season went along but this cannot be something he reverts to and brings to camp if he expects to start.

I don't have the numbers but it also seemed he didn't take a lot of snaps from under center last year and I don't think he did much of that in college. If the QB can't effectively take snaps from center on a regular basis it puts a damper on a running game. We seem to have a pretty strong stable of running backs so I think the coaches will prefer the starting QB to be mostly under center. Geno needs to come into camp with that really cleaned up or I don't think he has much of a shot of beating out Vick.

We also have to keep in mind that NFL DC's now have an entire season of film to identify and attempt to exploit any weaknesses in Geno's game. If a dumbass fan posting on the internet can pick out a few fundamental flaws I'm sure NFL DC's can come up with more.

 

But But But Geno sucks.

Without Kerley (who led the team in receptions (43) and yardage (523), and was second in TDs (3) - yuck), what did we have at WR last year? A bunch washed up scrubs signed off the street. Nelson, Gates, Salas, Winslow, Cribbs, Obamanu, Sudfeld. Hill, Holmes, and Cumberland were hurt and barely contributed. Powell was our second leading receiver with 36 catches!

I realize stats don't tell the whole story and that there were games where Geno was just plain awful, but you look at last year's receiving corps and have to wonder if Brady would've done much better. Now bring in CJ, Decker, Amaro, Ford, Saunders, Evans, and Enumwa and we are building something that looks more like an offense. Time for Geno to step up.

 

Geno was clearly more confident with Kerley in the lineup then without him. Last season, he was the only reliable receiver outside of Nelson (who somewhat came in late last season).

It wasn't the entire issue as Geno still needs to grow, but it's part of the issue. Throwing to Stephen Hill led to more harm then good in my opinion.

 

If you think about how much more comfortable he was with a slot receiver in the game, think about how comfortable he will be with a 6'6 tight end splitting the middle. Brings a smile to my face... Sorry for the off topic comment.. Continue.

 

All QB's have awful games.

 

My favorite part of all this is that injuries aside, this season will tell us all we need to know about Geno. His WR's are no longer an excuse.

He'll have an above average running game, a decent group of pass catchers. If he stinks it up, he's gone. Hopefully he plays well.

 

There's no denying Geno played like hot garbage sometimes last year, but all in all I feel like he has shown the ability to learn from his mistakes, something I never really felt Sanchez knew how to do. At this stage of his development he's already more willing to throw it away when nothing's there, and he's learning to use his legs to get him out of trouble. Also, the fact the he didn't make the playoffs his first year may turn out to be a positive. I always felt like Sanchez got the impression, due to so much early team success, that this game was easy, and no matter how bad he fucked up in an individual game, he'd just find a way to make it all okay in the end.

If he shits the bed in camp and Vick is clearly better, then so be it. But I have no interest in becoming the Browns, and replacing a QB every year (or more) when he doesn't immediately look like a top 10 QB. He's done enough to earn a second shot if you ask me.

 

To be fair, with or without Kerley our receiving core was garbage last year. With Kerley it was a bit better but still a pretty awful core. If Geno regresses or doesn't progress a lot, then we will have a better picture of what his trajectory will be.

 

We also drafted Boyd who can run and pass like Vick. I think we are in good shape at QB and everyone on TGG seems to forget we have another option before going on another QB hunt. If Geno blows it with millions in upgrades around him Boyd will have to improve his mechanics very fast.