Geno Smith: Not Worst QB

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  1. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Found this to be very interesting:

    "1. Poise on Third-and-Long

    One trait Geno displayed all season was a never-say-die attitude. And one measure of that was his performance on third-and-long. He converted 11 third-and-11-plus situations with completions (five to Jeremy Kerley) and one more on a third-and-14 keeper. The 11 passing conversions easily led all NFL quarterbacks, and the 12 total conversions were the most by any Jets QB in a season since 1966. His long-range conversion ability was league-leading, not league-trailing.

    2. Rush Hour

    Smith undeniably looked more poised as the season went on, especially when he started to effectively tuck and run. His six rushing touchdowns, coming in six Jets victories, were tied for the lead among quarterbacks with Carolina's Cam Newton. (The total also equaled Mark Sanchez's six rushing scores in '11 for the most by a Jets QB since Al Dorow's seven in 1960.)

    3. Turnover Talley

    We won't alibi it, and neither will Geno — his 25 personal turnovers (21 interceptions, 4 fumbles) were too high. But let's go to the drive charts, in this case the QB turnover drive rate chart. Smith and his offense turned the ball over 27 times in all for a TO drive rate of 14.7%.
    That was the eighth-highest rate last year. The seven worse: Eli Manning (20.2%), Matt Schaub (17.9%), Matt Stafford (17.4%), Carson Palmer (15.5%), Jay Cutler (15.5%), Andy Dalton (15.2%) and Matt Ryan (14.8%). There are some fairly good QBs on that list. This metric is as much a team measure as an individual measure, but considering Geno finished strong (two giveaways in the last four games) and with another season of sure-handedness by our backs, this ranking should rise.

    4. Airing It Out

    Considering there were games in which Smith struggled to find his receivers (who had health and production issues of their own), he actually finished better than last in several yardage benchmarks. His 3,046 yards were 21st among qualifying QBs, his 6.88 yards/attempt were 25th, and his 31 completions of 25-plus yards were tied for seventh. If we make it 20+ passes, Geno's 43 long balls were the most by a Jet since Vinny Testaverde's 44 in '01 and the most ever by a Jets rookie QB, including Joe Namath in '65.

    6. It's All About the Wins

    In one very important category Smith showed great promise: victories. He was one of 16 QBs (and the only rookie) to win at least eight starts last season. Yes, mark him down for the losses to the Titans, Steelers and Bengals and for the three-game skid vs. the Bills, Ravens and Dolphins. But then grade him high for his showings against the Bucs, Bills, Falcons, Patriots, Saints, and at Miami in the season finale. He was 6-2 in games after losses. He directed three last-minute game-winning drives. He finished the last quarter 3-1.

    Last season counts and it's in the books, but it's also yesterday's news. First Geno has to beat out Michael Vick, but Vick's competitive presence has improved him already, he's improved himself physically, and he's moving into year two of Marty Mornhinweg's offense with improved rushing and receiving groups. My guess: There's a real good chance Geno Smith will put his 2013 rankings in his rearview mirror."
     
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  2. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    I for one don't really care if he was the worse QB or the best last season. It all about what he will do this up coming season.
     
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  3. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    All very good points.

    We don't know what Geno is going to do with his potential but he clearly has similar potential to guys like Joe Flacco and Colin Kaepernick. He's unpolished but he has a good arm and he seems to recover well from his numerous mistakes.

    The thing that really discouraged me last year was when he seemed to give up after the bye throwing to street meat with all his good receivers going in and out of the lineup repeatedly. We don't know how much of that was the game plan and how much was Geno folding under the pressure but it's the one thing that makes me doubt him at this point.

    If we get lucky that was just the circumstances and Geno turns into a consistent QB who is almost never completely out of a game. That would be Vinny redux and a 25 year old Vinny would have won a Super Bowl with the Jets eventually.
     
  4. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Meaningless stats if you don't watch the games.
     
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  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'm surprised NYJets.com didn't list Geno as the worst QB?
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    HA! I was wondering why there was no URL listed.
     
  7. NoodleArm

    NoodleArm Well-Known Member

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    lol - definitely puts the original quote in a different light
     
  8. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    I dont think his ability to convert 3rd and longs or move the ball by running is meaningless.
     
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    The point that it's from Jets website does nothing to the article. This isn't a perspective. This article is based on statistics and numbers, not a personal view. Who cares where it's from when it's based on hard data.

    Of course there's some bias to it, but the numbers are the numbers.
     
  10. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Damn this homerific website and it's facts!

    should have waited on Cimini to post this.
     
  11. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    It was a rough rookie season, but there were some positives to build on.

    He has to move the chains more (even if tucking and running at the right times)
    And of course, he absolutely needs to reduce those turnovers.
    Our QB play has netted 77 turnovers in 3 years. That's gotta stop.
     
  12. Big Cat

    Big Cat Well-Known Member

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    They're all decent arguments except the first one. He had so many 3rd and long conversions because he had his team in so many 3rd and long situations. The better QBs in the league get their teams to manageable 3rd and 3s or 4s, but a lot of times Geno left the team with a mountain to overcome via taking sacks or throwing incompletions on early downs instead of hitting check down receivers for short gains.

    I guess it's good that he was able to move the chains when faced with big 3rd and longs, but it'd be nice to see him get us into more favorable downs and distances.
     
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  13. 74

    74 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, ok.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    If no one should care then why not link to it in the OP. Obviously you left it out because you didn't want anyone to know the obvious bias of the source.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    That's really all the article is talking about. Hopefully he can build on some of this and actually be a competent QB.

    I'm sick of having a TO prone QB as well. It has to stop. Hopefully with reliable targets Geno steps up.
     
  16. Br4d

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    Early on last year, after the Atlanta game, Geno was completing 60% of his passes for 8.2+ yards per attempt. That's a really unusual stat line for a rookie QB in the NFL. The turnovers were in line with what you would expect from a kid slinging the ball around like that but the other numbers were exceptional. Then the bottom began to fall out as the injuries piled up and Winslow got suspended and finally Rex went to a very conservative game plan to help a struggling rookie out.

    It's so hard to figure out what Geno is going to do at this point because we saw some really good stuff last year and a lot of terrible play also. If he was the #1 overall pick he'd have about 2 more seasons to figure this all out but he's a 2nd round pick instead so he has to figure it out this year or the Jets will likely draft another QB.
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Randy Lange is probably the biggest Jets homer on the planet - he works directly for the team. This is what I meant when I said you can't bash crap like Cimini and then promote stuff like Lange if you want anybody to take you seriously. Objectivity should be what is sought, not slurping on that big green dong.
     
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  18. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    I left it out because an app I have posted it and there are no links in the app.

    I didn't know it was from there until it was mentioned on here. Why the fuck would I care where it was posted lol
     
  19. 74

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    I like big green dong
     
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  20. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I tend to not read NYJets.com - I bash Cimini because honestly, instead of writing about what the worst Jets event in history was - he could have written articles similar to this one [with his own spin - positive or negative as long as it makes sense]. To educate fans, let fans know about up and coming players coming out. Have fans try and understand what Rex likes to do on the field on defense.
     

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