I am going to make a statement and you guys can tell me what you think. reggie Bush is a prospect that everyone is saying you just plain do not pass up if you have the opportunity to draft him. D-Brickashaw Ferguson is an offensive lineman that they're saying can make an immediate impact on a team this in his first season and can anchor a line for years. So, I would say from the videos and highlights that I have seen, that D-Brickashaw Ferguson is the Reggie Bush of offensive linemen, and therefore we would be equally stupid to pass him up. Thoughts?
It isn't that it's a BAD idea, the problem I have with it is that in my opinion, Jones will be pretty good, and drafting Ferguson does not fill a hole, it just puts Jones on the bench. The O line is then upgraded, but in a position we have covered, while we MUST get a RT that can run block, and a guard and center. Taking Ferguson addresses none of those dire needs. That is my ONLY argument against Ferguson, but I think it's an important one. People that think Jones can play RT are sorely mistaken..... like Ferguson, he has ONLY one position....LT. Could Jones play guard or center? Maaaaaybe, but I don't like that gamble. As much as I don't like taking an RB at 4, I'd still rather got that way over Ferguson. I'd like to see us draft Cutler (with a trade down of a couple of spots) or Hawk, to get another LB for the 3-4 I think we'll run after Abraham leaves. .
I have no problem with D'Brick at 4, however I would only want D'Brick if we couldn't get out of the 4th slot so we could move down and take Cutler.
Ferguson is not the prospect that Bush is. Bush is described as "special" by scouts. That is not a term taken lightly in the scouting circuit. Ferguson however, although he is considered quite elite in terms of pass protection has a few questions that linger around him. 1. Run blocking 2. His ability to add weight 3. His protection against the bull rush W/ those factors in mind,especially the run blocking, Ferguson is not a "complete" or "flawless" prospect. What makes him so attractive is his high ceiling and his freakish athleticism. Translation: If you're a team that has very few queston marks in terms of skill players, fergy is a no brainer, but if you have alot of holes, like we do...and there are players available that have similar value. Taking fergy will not be an easy decision to make.
I need some clarification. I have played offense but never offensive line. What is it about playing, say, right guad that would be so much different for Jones? I mean I know some of the basic differences: guards have to pull and move quickly but Jones was a TE so he must have some decent foot speed. Also, Guards need to handle big fat DEs who are super strong and carry a load. Other than this, what are the other skills differences between Tackles and Guards?
No need to add more> Kurt just outline the reasons. But I'm starting to think Brick is gonna go #3 to either TENN OR Houston..
Not trying to come off as an expert, but Guards also have to be able to run block and get to the next level. Guards usually take on bigger loads than a DE, they have to handle these big tackles.... or a huge NT. I don't think that Jones can win that battle at the point of attack. He just isn't that good of a drive blocker, which, btw, is also a rap on Ferguson.... which is why he's a LT also.
My reasoning is just that the drop off from Ferg to the next linemen just isnt that big. You can pass on Ferg and get someone almost as good with the first pick in the 2nd round. Also, from everything that I have read is that Ferg doesnt have the same potential that Pace had but Ferg has been compared to Gallery. The difference between Bush and Deangelo is huge. I just believe that the Jets can get a starting caliber lineman with the 2nd round pick and very possibly their 3rd round pick. If you can do that and draft another need with the #4 pick or trade down 3 or 4 spots and get an extra #1 or #2 for it, then to me, that seems like it would help the Jets the most.
I'm not sold on Bush as a top pick either. I think when you pick in the top 4, you need to either go QB, freakish O-line player like Pace, freakish RB like Sanders, or freakish WR like Jerry Rice. You don't spend picks on those positions otherwise in the first round, because they are easier to plug and good players fall into lower rounds. In the past few years, I think most of the good RBs and WRs have been 2nd round or later. Early in the first round, generally you want QB, DL, LB and CBs, because the quality of those players seem to drop off greatly the further down in the draft you go. Obviously there are exceptions to this, but that just seems to be playing on recent trends. You have to go with risk-reward calculations. Obviously ANY player you take in the draft is a question mark, but if your gamble pays off with a QB, you're set for a decade at the most important position, and those other positions generally provide immediate benefits as well. WRs and RBs aren't really that integral and unique usually, they require a very good QB and other factors to do well before they pay dividends. It's true that a QB at the least needs a good O-line, but again, one member of the O-line by himself usually can't change the game, even if they're great. But fortunately, they're easier to pick up later in the draft (the argument on the dropoff in talent between players being smaller, as TBJ I believe first brought up). I am not sold on Bush. I'm glad we lost the Bush bowl. I want a QB, preferably Young, and if not Young then Cutler. Everything else will take care of itself.
Great summary. I completely agree with your argument. If we didn't have Jones then Ferguson might be the right choice.
People on the board get too attached to a single player. I really won't mind anyone from the Ferguson, D. Williams, A.J. Hawk, M. Williams Tier 2 pedigree. If anyone from the Tier 1 pedigree of Bush, Young or Leinhart falls to us we need to take them or trade down.
Really? And what did they say about robert gallery when he was fresh? Did he live up to it? I would say so far no.. An offensive lineman is not worth high first round pick sorry. We can do just as good in the second.
I'm sorry, but it's against my religious beliefs to take an undersized offensive lineman 4th overall in the draft. If this guy has his athleticism along with at least above average size, then I'd take him. I'd even claim the biggest need on the Jets was right tackle. But left tackle really isn't a big need. Taking a left tackle at 4th overall does not fill a dire need, like a QB, RB, or RT would.
Generally speaking the differences are this: - Tackles generally need to be more athletic - Guards need to be stronger at the point of attack W/ that said, Jones STRENGTH is athleticism, and weakness is defending the bull rush. He would never survive at RG b/c that is usually the position among the line that requires the most drive blocking. Not exactly Jones' strength. Other than LT the 2 positions I could see him survive at are: Left guard: If he wasn't always assigned w/ drive blocking and trapping, and was often assigned w/ getting to the 2nd level and pulling, he might develop into a very good guard. He def. has the size and athleticism. Center: Jones is actually a perfect fit for the center position. He has great size, athleticism and typical strength for that position. If he indeed moves to center this offseason, w/ the release of Mawae, and we find a competent QB, I have no problem w/ us taking D brick in round 1.
Just out of curiosity, lets say we have a stud young RB like Steven Jackson, would everyone still want to draft Reggie Bush because hes a "once in a lifetime prospect"? Also, why in the hell do people act like Adrian Jones has his position on lock, like theres no room for improvement at the LT. We can always move Jones to G seeing how were dumping Kendall. If people are cool with us drafting a Bush when we have a Steven Jackson, but arent cool with drafting Ferguson when we have the "mighty" Adrian Jones, then some people are just special ed.
Your analogy is a bit off because Bush can is a RB/WR hybrid, but no I wouldn't want Bush because we would have other needs on our team, I would rather get the RT/G from the draft instead of messing up the potentially solo bright spot on our oline, for a player that plays it exactly the same with just more upside
Before you go and insult everyone, you might want to go back and read what we've all been saying. Jones is about the only solid fixture we have right now on the line. At this point the only position he can play is LT. It is not a good idea to have an entire new starting 5 along the line b/c cohesion is extremely important among the line. Therefore keeping our only solid fixture who happens to still be quite young w/ alot of upside at his best position might be a pretty good idea at this stage.
i figured i explained myself well labeling him "a once in a lifetime prospect." I figured that would cover all the bases and its not like hes going to be used primarily as a WR. Hes a hb that you can move around, its not like hes gonna play WR for a whole season. anyway the point i was tryin to make is if people would be comfortable drafting Bush when hypothetically we had Steven Jackson, shouldnt people be more gung-ho for taking Ferguson over Jones. Theres a larger talent differential between Fergie and Jones than there is Bush over a good RB. the whole point is just me trying to justify Ferguson as a great pick(greater than Cutler who is Kyle Boller light, and in some instances a better pick than Bush), and Jones isnt holding down his position like people claim he is. To be the best O-Linemen on our o-line isnt something to brag about it, and that seems to be the only thing going for Jones.
