If we want to move up in the first, as a few select reports have mentioned, how far up can we move if the team was to package a player with their first rounder. For instance Barton + Our first gets ??? McCarrins + Our first gets ??? DRob + Our first gets ??? Don't get me wrong, I am not expecting to crack the top 5 with any of these moves, but am really curious as to what value, if any, these guys would have in helping us move up in the first, as opposed to just packaging 2 picks.
D-Rob would have more value than a 3rd rounder to the right team. I doubt Barton would have 3rd round value and I know McCareins would not.
That's a really difficult question. It obviously depends on the value of the player as seen by the team we are trading with. Atlanta gave us a 1st for Abraham last year while everybody laughed at the mere suggestion that he was worth that. The thing about players is this. If a team thinks a certain player may be the last piece they need to make them a contender they will overpay. With draft picks their value is basically set in stone. They have a value on a chart. No more, no less.
Barton + our first gets us the 15-20th overall pick. He can provide a good option to teams with weak linebacker corps such as the carolina panthers, or possible the bengals while they can still get a guy like greg olsen or a cornerback down in teh 25th pick Justin Mccareins + our first gets us the 23rd or 24th pick, cant ask for much... DRob + our first gets us the 12th to 15th pick DRob had a solid season last year and is a big potential guy. There are plently of teams willing to drop about 10 spots for a guy like DRob. The Rams could use a DT and then can get a guy like michael griffin, or a linebacker such as david harris at the 25 spot
if Dante Hall can garner a fifth, then mcCareins should get a fourth. Barton is a little older so I would say he also would garner a fourth and DRob should garner a second at worst. Obviously, different teams would assign different values, and even if they were willing to giev, say, a fourth for McCareins, might not be willing to move out of a first round spot, even if we pair McCareins with our first, so who knows what kind of value they may or may not bring.
well then here's the question. DRob and spencer/poz/timmons/whoever the hell you want the jets to draft at 25 or branch... There's really no point in this actually. No way DRob gets traded. McCareins and Barton are plausible, but DRob is probably one of the last guys the jets are thinking of trading
NT is the key position in a 3-4. You have to really believe you have the best guy possible there. I would expect the Jets to be constantly looking at that position and who they have playing there right up until the point they become a good defense. I expect the prospect of trading D-Rob has been very much on the Jet's management team's minds from the moment they decided to go with a 3-4. Nothing they saw last year would have driven that notion away. My guess is they're not desperate enough that they feel they have to act, but they'll be thinking about it all the time.
i never said DROB would be traded...nor do i think he should...i was just answering the question of who we woudl get if we were to trade him with the #25
i completely disagree. I thought DRob was fairly effective at NT once the entire defense began picking up. He ate up space and pushed some guys around. It is so difficult to play NT and it is such a silent position in a way. It is not a playmaking position by any stretch of the imagination and i think people believe that an effective NT is one who will rush the passer, force fumbles etc. but that just won't happen. If anything, i think DRob's performance last year helped solidify him on the jets' d-line. (i'll probably get criticized for this and it will turn this thread into a "Should DRob get traded" thread but i dont care!)
I agree with that. DRob looks to be an above average NT at this point; we have bigger needs elsewhere. I think if he was selected late in the first round or beyond, everyone would be fine with him.
