First crack at a mock off-season

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Dissect it dawgs. I’ll preface this all by saying I doubt we do all of this, especially signing two safeties. Backup linebackers, center, etc. will be a camp body we bring in.

    I’m also extremely lost as to what to do with the tackle situation.

    Re-sign
    WR Braxton Berrios
    TE Tyler Kroft
    RG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
    RT Morgan Moses
    QB Mike White

    Free agents
    ILB Anthony Walker Jr. ($7 mill/year)
    G Mark Glowinski ($9 mill/year)
    QB Marcus Mariota ($6 mill/year)
    FS Marcus Williams ($12 mill/year)
    SS Ronnie Harrison ($7 mill/year)
    WR Zach Pascal ($4 mill/year)
    DT Hassan Ridgewy ($4 mill/year)

    Draft
    Trade down with second pick - Broncos give us 15 & 46 for 8
    1a. George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue
    1b. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas
    2a. Christian Harris, LB, Alabama
    2b. Charlie Kolar, TE, Iowa State
    2c. Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn
    3. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
    4. Nick Boeker, OL, Ole Miss
    5. Hassan Haskins, RB, Michigan
    6. Khalil Shakir, WR, Boise State
    6. Jeffery Gunter, DE, Coastal Carolina

    Depth chart
    Offense
    QB - Zach Wilson, Marcus Mariota, Mike White
    RB - Michael Carter, Ty Johnson, Hassan Haskins
    WR1 - Corey Davis, Treylon Burks, Zach Pascal
    WR2 - Elijah Moore, Braxton Berrios, Khalil Shakir
    TE - Charlie Kolar, Tyler Kroft, Ryan Griffin
    LT - Mekhi Becton, Morgan Moses, Chuma Edoga
    LG - AVT, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
    C - Connor McGovern
    RG - Mark Glowinski, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
    RT - George Fant, Morgan Moses, Nick Boeker

    Defense
    DE - Carl Lawson, JFM
    DT - Quinnen Williams, Hassan Ridgeway
    DT - Sheldon Rankins, Devonte Wyatt
    DE - George Karlaftis, Bryce Huff, Shaq Lawson
    WLB - Anthony Walker Jr., Quincy Williams
    ILB - Christian Harris, Del’shawn Phillips
    SLB - CJ Mosley, Jamien Sherwood

    CB - Brandin Echols, Roger McCreary
    CB - Michael Carter III
    FS - Marcus Williams, Ashtyn Davis
    SS - Ronnie Harrison, Elijah Riley, Kenderick Duncan
    CB - Bryce Hall, Jason Pinnock

    P - idk fucking find one better than Mann
    K - see above
     
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    That’s really not a bad job …. Not a bad job and quite realistic.
     
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    Sack exchange Well-Known Member

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    Not bad at all!! Good post.


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  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Really like Walker and Harris. It would be a completely different defense with those 2.

    Who knows how the top of the draft will shake out but I think Karlaftis could be had with that 8 pick.

    Edit: I know nobody gives a shit about the FB position but it was my best position when I was playing ball and I get irrationally jacked up when we have a dynamic lead blocker. Tony Richardson was such a gift. I want that Utah TE so bad, he's like a Juszczyk clone.

    You can probably build an entire offense based on things Trevon Wesco cannot do.
     
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    Only thing I'd try to do differently is signing another veteran TE. I really don't think the Jets could go into next season with a rookie TE and an injury prone TE. I don't think guys like Njoku or Mo Alie-Cox are going to command a ton of money and I think the Jets should absolutely go after one of those two.
     
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    I did like the idea of bringing in a viable alternative at QB in case Zach continues to struggle. We really need to have someone who can consistently run what is looking like a promising offensive system and give us something worth watching. I'm really hoping that person will be Zach, but we CANNOT be unprepared again in case he just isn't that guy.

    Love getting a tight end early, and although I think it will take more than one more offseason to really set us up, I think this would be a really good step. The only thing I wasn't completely sold on was taking a receiver in the first round - but that is partly to do with the fact I don't know how good this Burks guy is. If he's a really great prospect, then why the hell not.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    ^ I forgot, really liked Mariota as well.

    That Coastal Carolina guy is a nice touch.

    Burks would probably be starting by week 6.
     
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  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Burks is a big hands catching leaping receiver. The dude has a big frame, hands and is comparable to DeAndre Hopkins except he’s a bit faster. Mike Williams from the Chargers might be a good comparison.

    I like Garrett Wilson and Drake London a lot but I am trying to keep in mind Zach Wilson’s skill set in wanting to throw high loft deep balls. This offense also needs some size and speed at receiver.

    Taking a step back and looking at it today, I could definitely see how I’d need to add more offensive line help in the draft and possibly even where Burks is picked.

    Certainly could be a good move. I just figure Kolar has played a ton of college football, is a willing in-line blocker and wouldn’t have traditional rookie adjustments to make. The only thing that worries me is his lack of speed, but he shields very well with his body and pushes around smaller defensive backs.


    I like the big bruising running back from North Dakota State (Luepke) in a developmental role like that. Dude loves football and while playing extremely low competition, I could see a slow contact seeking running back embracing that.
     
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    I don't know much about the upcoming TE class since I've been hyper focused on the rock solid FA group, but I'm a fan of drafting a rookie TE. The more weapons the better.

    It would be ugly if Kroft went down and the Jets only had a rookie TE with Ryan Griffin, especially when the OC likes to run 12 personnel. I don't think the Jets are going to be able to sign Schultz or Gesicki; I think Njoku is a perfect fit for us.
     
  10. KY Jets Fan

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    Well done!

    With the realization that we might be out on the Hutchinson/Thibodeaux sweepstakes, I've been looking into Karlaftis more and I think he's a legit top 5 prospect in this class so he'd be a nice "consolation prize" for missing out on those 2 guys.

    Also like the Burks pick as I think the Jets won't be in contention for any big time FA WR's, if they even hit the market, so we'll need to use a premium pick if we want to get ourselves a "WR1" and Burks is a guy that could be that.
     
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    Not bad. I have a few thoughts.

    Karlaftis has upside, but it might take a while for it to be realized.

    I like Burks, he'd make up for the Mims whiff.

    I'm on the LaPorta train since Iowa has become TE U.
     
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    I'm worried about Becton, otherwise, we need to draft another OT high.
     
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  13. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    LaPorta’s a nice player. I just don’t see him winning contested balls. He did a lot of damage on catch and runs near the LOS. It’s not to say that he can’t take guys one on one, he just hasn’t done it a lot.

    You’re right in Karlaftis and the low sack numbers do worry me a bit. I find comfort in the fact that the Big 10 ends up being a lot of ugly football that limits passing attempts down the stretch, so he has less chances to rush the passer in cold games in Minnesota, Nebraska, Michigan, etc. down the stretch.

    He went there so it’s easy to make the comparison, but I’ve seen Ryan Kerrigan as a comparison a lot. Not an elite edge rusher but I’ll take that really good double digit sack guy all day.


    I’m hoping the coaching staff is prepping him for a move to the right side. It’s not something I love when someone’s been playing left tackle their whole career other than when Louisville did that weird flip formations on certain drives shit with him. But if he has a whole off-season to do it he shouldn’t have a problem with the adjustment as long as he’s not a dickhead about it.
     
  14. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    What’s your mock draft off-season without trading down? I don’t think it’s realistic to trade down unless a team wants a sure fire QB IMO. I don’t know if we can count on that but it would address a lot of needs.
     
  15. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Well McCreary would be the first player to not take. I don’t see corner as a huge need compared to everything else, but he’s going to be a fantastic player IMO.

    In that scenario, I’m not sure I wouldn’t take Burks anyways or another receiver. Maybe Linderbaum, Nakobe Dean (LB), Devin Lloyd (LB) or one of the tackles (Cross or the dude from NC State). I think all of those players are in play where I slotted Burks anyways or if we don’t trade down.

    Scenario: take Dean or Lloyd at 8 or 15 and then take WR David Bell from Purdue where I have us taking Christian Harris.
     
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    I don't see that trade happening, and if it did I'd want more than pick 46 to move out of the top 10. Also, the Broncos have pick 44, not 46, and they also have 56. IMO we'd need at least 56, and 88, to move down to 13 (not 15).
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    This was assuming a trade from 8 (Seattle’s pick) to 15 before this weeks result. A second round pick is a decent return in a draft with not a lot of top end talent at QB.

    For the sake of not taking advantage of those mock draft simulators where you can literally bend the computer over, I tried to be a bit conservative with it using PFN’s.
     
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    Always like your stuff Jonathan_Vilma. Like the draft picks up to round 6 --- I dont even know the guys in rd 6 & 7 --- cant comment yet.
    But there is no way we are getting Marcus Williams for 12million per year ---- he is going to get 16 million.

    My mock offseason coming out soon as well ------- I wait until season end. But I've got us trying to spend similar $$ offseason FAs that the Patriots did last year === about $137 million. I know --- its a lot ---- but its time to open the wallet & dump everything out ---- we've got the rookie QB payscale to do it ---- the Patriots figured that out before we did.
     
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    Really like the Kolar pick as well -- there are definitely TE's in this draft and we need to end up picking one + signing a vet
     
  20. MaximusD163

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    I like a lot of it but I think the biggest place of differing opinion is early in the draft. It’s an Edge rich draft, so if you’re not landing Hutchinson or Thibodeaux, I just think there are a slew of guys who are legit prospects which means you should be able to find one slipping out of round 1. Same with WR… There is an opportunity cost for the more scarce Blue Chip prospect positions that just doesn’t exist for Edge, WR, or CB, or even OT to some degree.

    Exactly how much more valuable is Karlaftis than Jermaine Johnson? How much more valuable is Burks than Drake London? Maybe you disagree but to me, I would rather eat that possible downgrade and avoid the downgrade from Hamilton to any other safety or the downgrade from Linderbaum to any other IOL.

    If you play it right, you can get 3-4 1st round caliber players. It worked in 2021… Strike on the rarer Blue Chip Guard and then get a 1st round caliber WR at the top of round 2.
     
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