I notice that the Saints played him yesterday a lot like the good teams used to play against Pennington... Basically daring him to throw deep
Well, they're probably going to keep playing him like that until he starts throwing deep. Aside from the Cotch play against Tennessee and the Stuckey play against Houston, he really hasn't gone deep.
he has shown he has the arm to do it but the offense hasn't gone down the field much. yesterday it didn't seem like he had much of a chance to look downfield, and most of his first reads seemed to be short routes for most of the game.
If the OL can keep him safe for more than a 1 count maybe he will have time to go deep! I think it is a combination of poor line play and a rookie QB but has nothing to do with his arm strength.
The Saints were blitzing a lot yesterday. There was no time to go deep on most of the pass plays, even assuming the Jets had somebody running a deep route. My theory on what they're actually doing this year is pretty simple: they have two really good YAC type receivers in Cotchery and Keller so it makes little sense to put a receiver deep unless it's one of those guys. You don't want to have another defender between Cotchery and the goal-line when he catches a 15 yarder and turns upfield. If the Jets had a good deep threat it would make sense, but why send Stuckey deep when you know he won't be open and his man might well be the guy who brings down Cotchery, Keller or Washington after the catch?
Teams don't respect the play calling. They know our offense is all about the short pass, screens, and the running game. It was the same way last year with Farve when we led the NFL in passes that went less than one yard down feild at 21% of our passing plays. Untill Shotty starts mixing it up and taking some serious shots down feild we will seee alot more of the same style of defense played againts us.
Is it lack of respect for his arm or lack of respect for our receivers. As good as Cotch is, a deep threat he is not. Take away the quick slants and the screens and you shut down the Jets' passing attack.
We really need to put Clowney and go vertical offense for a bit. We cannot keep playing Pennington football And if TJ continues to suck I want Greene to take his carries or most of them.
I just don't think we're dialing up the long ball often... remember Sanchez got all excited last week when Schotty said, ok you can go deep, and then he ran over to Cotch saying, the GO Route is on!! WOOHOOO!!.. and then sure enough they connected on that long bomb. I think Schotty is still holding Sanchez in check with the plays... but yeah, we had zero deep lobs last night, which is annoying.
Let me ask a question , how many shots did the high powered , air it out Saints take downfield yesterday- not many - why ? Because, you don't have much time against a pressure defense to throw deep. You beat it it with quick hitters, slants, misdirections, draws, screens etc... The Saints defense dictated what we did on offense , if we had scored on that first drive it woud have made a world of difference .
Its a legit question and has not been beat to death as of yet. There are many threads worse than this one out there.
You got it...most of the stuff I heard today was against our O-line, not protecting our QB or getting some lanes open for our RB's. Its takes a couple of seconds for a deep play to develop and Mark is either under pressure or going down. Until they get this fixed, teams are going to continue to stack the box. Worse yet, Mark will be on IR or we could end up with our version of Carr. Im not gonna panic though cause I know we have a good line and I think something needs some tweaking. I hope BS and BC can get it fixed quick. But, I give the Saints credit for being ALOT better on defense....barring injuries, there is no reason for them not to be on their way to a SB appearance.
He's a ROOKIE staring down his receivers, there's no need to read anything else into it. it's not his arm(which is very good) and it's not the playcalling of our very good OC.
logic hurts their heads.... keep using it until their heads explode. every defense will stack the box this year as well, until he has a 400 yrd 4TD game. Those weapons don't exist on this team until we play the Raiders.
I would prefer the OP to have some input. U and I have posted much more in this post alone than the OP did in his post. Thread of the day I noticed TJ had another bad day. Basically, barely crosses the LoS on most plays... Mods: I meant to make a thread out of my post. Any chance u can do that without me having to re write this whole sentence... hmy:
At the very least one very deep shot where Brees over threw the reciver. I'll have to rewtch the game to see any more. The Saints were not bringing the house on every play, but getting pressure with 4 or 5 guys. Several times the DE came off the edge completely unblocked either because of a badly designed play or a missed assignemnt. Your missing the fact that we do use quick slants, Misdirection, Screens and other such short plays more than anyone in the league. With out setting up and at least trying a few more deep throws every game we are goign to continue to see 8 and 9 men up because we lack any type of deep game right now. Part of that problem stems because our running game is completely inneffictive on first down. on second and long we are looking to get into a managable 3rd down situation. 2nd and short you can line up and take a good deep shot if you want and still be in good shape on third if the play goes incomplete. The offense needs a good deal of work both in scheme and execution as far as I'm concerned. We are not a pound the rock running attack. We do nottake deep shots. Our best plays typically come off of short passes that get taken for a big gain. While that is nice, we need that one or two very deep down feild passes, even if they go incomplete, to give the defense a reason to keep the safteys out of the box.
has nothing to do with his arm. It has to do with the fact that the kid is a rookie, and like other team this year, they are daring him to beat them.
