Media and fans alike all wanted Mangini fired, especially after the Seattle game. Eliminate the fan-base opinion and media for a second. Let's assume no one is calling for Mangini to be fired. Does Mangini's body of work merit his firing? He was put in a position to work with a QB he probably didn't want, he was forced to change the system to fit Favres' style not to mention his shoulder problems down the stretch (Madden Curse anyone?). Chad's injuries and the O-Line's problems (which was Tanny's responsibility) are major reasons why he struggled in '07, but he did have plenty of time to work with Clemens yet we all know how that turned out. In my opinion Mangini was fired more for his '07 performance than his '08 performance. What are your thoughts?
I don't think you're far off. In Mangini's three years here, we were 10-6 in his first year. Not bad. In '07 we went 4-12. Okay, Chad's injured, but a good coach (BB for example) should be able to overcome that. We didn't. But Woody goes out and spends $140 Million, bring in all kinds of talent and we wind up 9-7. It think that was the killer. I heard someone the other day on the Mike and Mike show saying that Woody was visably upset after the Seahawks game. He is usually not a guy who gets pissed off, but he was after that game. So, yeah, you could say the '07 performance did it, but after going out and bringing in all that talent, the '08 season was the Coup de Gras.
i would say that the media/fans did play a part in the firing, hell i think woody even said something referring to that in the press conference yesterday. that was one thing that REALLY bothered me, you just dont give the fans the power to decide who stays or goes. very very dangerous. but then again this guy is trying to sell psls so maybe making everyone feel more important is what he was trying to do. i was actually surprised that woodys statement didnt get more of a reaction than it did.
yeah but i have never heard an owner come out and say it though. it was actually kinda weird to hear him say it.
Woody really didn't have much of a choice but to fire Mangini. Why? He needed a "Steinbrenner moment" on Monday after perhaps the biggest collapse in recent football memory. He's under pressure because he shares both a stadium and a market with a very successful Giants team and he needed to make a statement. Up until yesterday, Woody was nearly a reincarnation of Leon Hess. Nice old rich guy that owns a football team with nothing bad to say about anything. As it happens, this same old guy dropped $400mil on a timeshare with the Giants and is trying to sell $25k PSL's during a recession. Talk about pressure to do something...
Very true. Look at the overall record though... 22-26. Three years ought to be enough time to show what you've got. 22-26 with only one playoff appearance doesn't cut it.
First off, he inherited a horrible team. Second off, he was 23-25, not 22-26, don't cheat the guy. Third off all, alot of Jet fans acted horribly toward him at the end,,, absolutely horribly and should be embarrassed.
The problem is that alot of this public are people that you can read there views on these game threads and alot of them are awful so should that opinion really be heard? Alot of Jet fans got exposed in all of this as not really knowing that much and basically just being bitter.
It was pretty clear at the start of the season that Mangini was on a fairly short leash this year. Last year WAS horrible, particularly given the Jets lack of injuries for most of the season The vote of confidence that both Mangini and Tannenbaum received over the winter was exactly that: a vote of confidence, likely to be followed by a vote of "don't let the door hit you in in the ass on the way out" if things went sour this year. Tannenbaum did a fairly good job of giving Mangini some talent to work with this year and so he has momentarily survived the collapse. The talent was never likely to go to the Super Bowl but it was much better than 1-4 down the stretch with the season on the line and that is what sunk Mangini. I like Woody as the Jet's owner at this point. He's not a loudmouthed hothead with an ego the size of the grand canyon, like Dan Snyder, but he is not going to sit back passively and watch things go to hell and that's a big improvement over the Jet's ownership standards since Sonny Werblin bowed out. I'm hopeful.
I defended Mangini during the season (I still think many people here seriously overrate the talent on the team), but he had to go after the performance down the stretch, and particularly the last two games. The Jets still controlled their destiny, yet played like they couldn't have cared less against a horrible Seattle team. That is all on the coach. They then got embarrassed at home against a hated division rival and the QB they released. In the most important games of the year Mangini was apparently completely unable to get the team to play hard and execute. When you combine that with his apparent regression in playcalling (which was much better in 2006), the decision to fire him was to me an easy one (blaming the OC and DC for the playcalling doesn't wash either - it's up to the head coach to take control when things aren't working). Having said that, that Favre was horrible down the stretch didn't help either. I'm not sure why so many people insist on blaming either Favre or the coaching staff. To me both failed, and both deserve plenty of blame.
I believe I saw the exact number at 23-26 if you want to be exact... a total of 49 games. You've got to include the one playoff game in there, but who's counting. I'm not "cheating the guy," he's still below .500 right? That was my point afterall.
Yeah, and he still HAD TWO WINNING SEASONS out of THREE, which is darn good considering the team he inherited was predicted to win 4 games. That always gets conveniently ignored. He's 23-25. The post-season game doesn't go into that. I'm not saying he's the greatest coach ever, i'm not even saying he coached well this season, cause he didn't. But he was treated horribly.
