Thank you....but NO F......ing way we draft this piece of crap.!!! Is DHB The Next Troy Williamson? Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2009, 2:35 p.m. As pointed out in our latest SportingNews.com item, we see some similarities between the seventh overall pick in the 2005 draft and the guy who could be the seventh overall pick in the 2009 draft. Troy Williamson had speed in 2005. Darrius Heyward-Bey has speed in 2009. Neither player put up eye-popping numbers in college ? in six seasons between them, they racked up a total of zero 1,000-yard seasons. Williamson, whose best college season actually was better than the best from Heyward-Bey, has to date been a massive bust. So is DHB headed for the same outcome? I don?t follow college football closely enough to rank and rate and offer up a scouting report for 250 pro prospects. But I watch enough football at every level to know that great players typically play great, regardless of scheme or personnel or strategy. If Heyward-Bey was good enough to justify investment of the seventh overall pick in the NFL draft, wouldn?t it be obvious based on his body of work in college? Instead, his stats scream out ?round four.? Last season, DHB capped his career with 42 catches for 609 yards and five touchdowns. In the very same conference, Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina caught 68 balls for a whopping 1,222 yards and 12 scores. But, hey, Heyward-Bey can run 40 yards in his pajamas faster than Nicks, by roughly two tenths of a second. And I saw Nicks destroy the West Virginia defense in the Meineke Car Care Bowl in a way that it hadn?t been destroyed since Calvin Johnson (maybe you?ve heard of him) destroyed the West Virginia defense in the Gator Bowl two years earlier. In two games against that same 3-3-5 stack defense during the 2006 and 2007 seasons, DHB caught three passes for 56 yards, and five for 49. Great players play great. During the 2008 college football season, Heyward-Bey didn?t.
fantastic article. just helps to show the comparison. I honestly hope that Davis loses his mind and takes DHB #7 overall over both Crabtree and Maclin. Do you realize how great that would be for the continued raiders collapse? I mean jees, yeah Raiderjoe would be all over the place touting another guys 40 time, which is actually real in this case, but come season time, the wheels would fall off and the raiders would again be failing miserably and picking top 10 for like the 7th straight season. Nothing would make me happier. Well except to see the Patriots picking #1 overall because Tom Brady's knee never healed, but thats about it.
Sounds like my friend, Mr. E, wrote the article. Both of us having been screaming for months exactly what this article is preaching.
I've been saying this all along ... DHB should have been dominating college DB's with his physical advantages and IMO his numbers should bare that out, and yet Kenny Britt (for example) pretty much "DOUBLES" DHB in every statistical category that matters over the past two years ... and this with Mike Teel (not Bert Jones) throwing Britt the football I mean sure, with his measurables there's always a chance DHB can emerge as a bigtime player, but he DIDN'T in college so why should I believe he will in the pros where DB's are 50 times better and defensive schemes way more complicated? Answer: I DON'T
agreed Jabba. DHB just doesnt make it see, like he has a chance to be a player. Jabba what does your reciever board look like? I assume you have Crabtree and Maclin 1 and 2, but not necessarily in that order, after that everyones board seems to be different... What about you WW85? who are your top 5 WR's in order?
Jabba...........too many people get caught up in 40 times and a player's physical prowess. Something I learned a long time ago..... your eyes don't lie. Is the Guy a playmaker? Does he dominate his position? Is he productive (Stats) against good competition. The answer is No..... to all of the above regarding DHB. I'm not trying to brag, but I believe some people have the ability to evaulate talent (like yourself) and some don't.
I think Kenny Britt is a much safer pick than DHB. He's got good speed, very physical when going up for the ball and has decent hands. He's dropped some catchable balls but I think he has good hands overall. IDK, if we're looking for a big WR and it comes down to DHB and Britt I'd much rather "reach" and take Britt. I think that whole character issue is blown out of proportion, if somebody could explain why scouts everywhere say he has character issues I'd like to know.
Well I think DHB will probably be drafted ahead of Britt and in my last positional rankings I tried to reflect that, but personally I think Britt is better MY TOP 10 01. Michael Crabtree - Texas Tech 02. Jeremy Maclin - Missouri 03. Percy Harvin - Florida (RED FLAGGED) 04. Kenny Britt - Rutgers 05. Hakeem Nicks - North Carolina 06. Darrius Heyward Bey - Maryland 07. Brian Robiskie - Ohio State 08. Juaquin Iglesias - Oklahoma 09. Louis Murphy - Florida 10. Ramses Barden - Cal Poly Based on talent I have Harvin at #3, but IMO he drops to RD 2 and probably behind 4, 5 and 6 ... maybe behind 7 too
My rankings..........doesn't mean the order they will be drafted....depends on the type of receiver a team wants. Crabtree Maclin Britt Nicks Robiskie All possible 1st rd picks.
Thanks WW85, but believe me, I have plenty of stinkers on my record too hmy: Overall I think I do okay, and certainly I have the same level of respect for your talent evaluation skills, but I'm sure we both have our fair share of EL BUSTOS we would much rather forget :grin:
No doubt!! I've had my share of busts....we all do. I loved Manny Lawson and Justin Harrel...just a few short years ago.
Another similarity that Mike Florio(Genius Pats writer btw) failed to mention was that both Williamson and DHB had AWFUL offenses around them and an awful QB throwing to them. If you want to take a stab at someone for not getting a 1000 yd season in college, then you have to hold the QB/Coaches responsible too. Seriously the time that Williamson played at South Carolina, pre Spurrier, that team was just downright bad from what I remember. They havent had a legit QB since who the heck knows.......... A player will only do so much despite having not much talent around them. Outside of Jared Gaither who had to leave school early and hope a team takes a chance on him in the supp draft(BAL), what the hell has Maryland produced on offense recently? These are coaches who fail to take advantage of what is a weak ACC and has been for the past 2 yrs. They have no QB, inconsistent lines and bad playcalling. Its crazy how DHB still got his numbers with some of the crap he had to see when playing at Maryland. Also Williamson NEVER clicked with his Vikings coach, Brad Childress. Childress went as far as fining Williamson for leaving the team early to attend to a family's funeral instead of a game. Childress is a supposed offensive guru but this guy wouldent know how to run an offense/team if it hit him in the head and said "Hi how are you". Worst coach in the NFL probably. Hopefully whatever team DHB goes to, he wont have to go through what Troy did(Not standing up for Troy by any means too).
I disliked Troy Williamson very much. I didn't like him as a player and I really didn't like him as a person. I saw him interviewed and/or read a transcript of an interview and there was nothing there. As for Heyward-Bey, I have a different opinion. I think the guy has desire. We know he's got the talent- he can catch, he can run. The issue I see here is the college production. Now, I have not seen Heyward-Bey enough to say the Jets absolutely should draft him. I saw him only a couple times and liked him. But, hey, I don't know. *** From 4/16/08- poster's whose identity is being hidden: "I think what he meant was that it takes a few years to develop a QB. But what surprises me is that you're comparing Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning and Big Ben. Are you serious? There are no Peyton Manning's in this draft...BY FAR!!! And the closest comparison I have heard of Big Ben was Flacco who is tough and extremely eluding when defenses try to bring him down (whether that will remain the same in the NFL and their elite group of rushers is yet to be seen). Either way I just don't see why we should take Matt Ryan in the 1st round with our 6th pick when there's good talent in the 2nd rd, if, we decide to draft another QB?" Cakes: "There is not good QB talent in the 2nd round, except maybe Joe Flacco. I simply have not seen Flacco play enough to form a proper opinion. Everybody else on this board would have to say the same thing or they are lying. Nobody watches Delaware football. I mean, c'mon. Yes, I am comparing Ryan to Manning and Roethlisberger." So, I was like one of three guys (okay, there were more than three- I think) here who actually liked Ryan. Most of this board did not want Ryan with the Jets under any circumstance. Here in 2009 it seems there are maybe three TGG members who like Heyward-Bey. Maybe, like Ryan, Heyward-Bey will shock this board. Then again, maybe not.
I agree on your top 5. What do you think of Ramses Barden? Is he a viable 3rd round option if we go different direction day1? I don't know much about him but am intrigued with the size.
BTQ............I had Barden in rd 2 to the in my Jet's mock. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=44455 Barden has produced some eye-opening stats....awesome for even lower competition he played against. Most people don't feel that Barden will be drafted in rd 2.....we will see tomorrow.
