sorry i replied with this in another thread but i want this to spark some actual nonbiased sensible debate. (good luck with that right?) and whoever I quoted, your points are valid. and im not trying to make anything out of this but it just presented good points for me to argue. Antonio Gates is a Kurt Warner story, they struck gold with him. these kind of players are found very seldomly. And there is NO player like Davis. if the dropoff between Davis and the next TE werent so bad youd have alot more TE's being mentioned as higher rd prospects. Byrd, Pope, and Mercedes Lewis are the only other ones mentioned as possible late 1st to 3rd rd picks. and theyre not really that impressive except for Popes height. Meanwhile theres a WHOLE PLETHORA of quality PRO OL to be had in rds1-3 Brick can only play LT. And LT isnt the only position that needs to be addressed. We need a Center and Guard (Kendall will be done soon). So people opposed to Brick at 4 have faith we can solidify the line with picks 29 and 35 while getting someone who will actually put points on the board at 4.(or super mario/ trade down) i would rather have 2 OL solidify our other spots and then see if Adrian Jones is worth keeping at LT. the next point is the biggest one tho Brick will struggle with runblocking and also the inside bullrush. I believe in time it will transform from a weakness into something he does pretty good. But to think Brick will come in and just start playing like Walter Jones is absurd. Same with Bush being in Houston, he might even be injured behind their line. Williams is one player i think will make his mark from day one though. The same can be said about Davis, but I believe with his athleticism and the rmultiple positions he can play will work to his advantage. I mean reading defenses and finding holes is an intangible that can make or break a reciever. But then again him running around to get open will be alot easier for him then for Brick to block say Dwight Freeney. and im not saying Brick is garbage or anything, but I believe with OL being such a glaring need and Brick recieving as much hype as he has, people just feel comfortable with the pick as if Brick alone solves our OL when in all actuality it does not.
I agree...there is enough talent at OT in this draft that we shouldn't "waste" our #4 pick on him. If we pick up Vernon Davis at #4, we could take an Eric Winston at #29, then maybe another O lineman at #35. A couple years ago, we revamped our entire defense. I think it is the offenses turn this year. So as long as BUsh and Williams are off the board, Davis shoudl be the pick.
You are right, Brick alone doesnt' solve the problem, which is why we will be taking up to 4 OLineman in this draft.
Was reading the New York Post and in their Mock Draft they have the Jets taking Marcedes Lewis with the 29th pick.... Now if there was any reason to draft Vernon Davis at 4, this is it.... Marcedes Lewis looks like a slower taller Keyshawn Johnson... If this guy was a little faster, he would be looked at as a WR instead of TE.... Passing over Davis because picking a TE at 4 is too high, but willing to pick one at 29 is the dumbest thing I ever heard, especially when you know that the one at 4 has the potential to change the game. Marcedes will NEVER be known for his blocking. Davis squats over 600 lbs. Davis thighs are as big as Marcedes's chest. He should be the best blocking TE by next season with his physical ability. There are plenty of quality tackles, but only one Davis...
I think you got to go with D'Brick. He just seems like a special Tackle. And i think he is the BPA at 4 unless mario is there. In this post about D'Brick im assuming mario williams is gone. At #4 i dont know who else to get. I dont want to get a qb that high because we will be investing so much money into three potential starters at qb. I'd rather have D'Brick over Vernon because tackle is a bigger hole than TE is. PLus if we want a tight end that bad, we could get mercedes lewis at 29 who is a huge physical tight end. I think if it's b/w Brick and Vernon, it's a no-brainer to pick D'Brick
This is probably assuming we get D'Brick/Mario at 4. I highly doubt we'll get vernon at 4 because D'Brick and Mario would help fill some holes while TE is not that big of a hole for us. But, i think if mercedes lewis is there at 29, he'll be there at 35. My ideal draft would be D'Brick at 4, Mangold at 29, and mercedes at 35. That way, we help fill the holes at O-Line and we get a pass catching threat (one that would be incredibly useful in the red zone)
We need weapons to use for an oline's impact to be felt, without weapons what exactly are the oline trying to give time for? What we saw last year showed a team with a severe lack of a playmaking presence, we couldn't run the ball, we couldn't pass the ball even with Coles being our "#1", and while an oline is a big part of that, even when we did have time last year, this offense showed nothing. With that said Jolley showed no ability to block, even in his best games he made plays questioning if he even belongs in the NFL, and as for Baker, he had done nothing and when it was time for him to do something he got injured for the rest of the year. The linemen can be had later in the draft, the playmaker has to come early because they won't be there later.
If you are willing to draft Marcedes Lewis then I say stick with the TE's on the roster. Marcedes cannot block. He is no different than what we already have. TE's who cannot block. That would be a wasted pick.... They had the Saints taking Mario, but this is another thing that bothers me. If we are so deficient on the Offensive Line, why are we only looking to pick up only one Offensive Linemen with our first 3 picks? To me these guys make no sense. They make it seem as if D'Brickashaw is the only Tackle in the world that can protect our QB. Then after they pick him, these so called NY writers have down Marcedes next, or Tamba Hali to replace John Abraham.... What are these guys smoking? To each his own, but to me if you can draft a TE at 29 then you can draft an Offensive Lineman at 29 especially since you will more than likely get more for your money.... Picking Vernon @4 gives you your freakish TE who will be a very good blocker with coaching, then going Nic Mangold if available or Eric Winston or Marcus Macneil at 29 makes more sense. You would have something to look forward to on offense and with Mangold, Kendall can go back to his natural position and the line doesn't look too bad. The talent at tackle is better than the talent at TE.
