David Lee Throws Geno Under "Jet"

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  1. CaneJet

    CaneJet Well-Known Member

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    I say it again. Rex doesn't foster a healthy environment for offense. This is another piece of evidence to support it.
     
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    The guy supposed you know coach and help Geno is saying Geno killed the.

    So basically it was if my job was to make widgets and they were broken and then I said man those widgets stunk?

    Maybe develop an offense that allows Geno to take snaps for under center and from his comfort position. Maybe try developing the QB instead of trying hide and limit mistakes to try and win meaningless games.
     
  3. Br4d

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    Yes, but when you have insurance and an accident is happening it's best to claim the insurance, right? If Geno had been good in 2013 and off to a rocky start in 2014 then you stick with him. When he was what he was in 2013 and then he looks like a slightly improved version of what he was in 2013 early on you go claim the insurance.
     
  4. The 1985er

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    That is true, but that would contradict the notion of the rebuild and what it entails. Playing young guys despite mistakes and inconsistency is a part of the rebuilding process. Geno was inconsistent early on but he wasn't that terrible (outside of SD) that it warranted a benching. The Bills game was the right moment to claim the insurance.
     
  5. Br4d

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    He was pretty bad in all 4 early games. He was costing the Jets at least a TD a game with erratic play. He wasn't giving the ball up in a big way but he was an overall negative and things were going wrong in the red zone over and over again.
     
  6. The 1985er

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    I disagree he was alright his biggest issue was making that one or two boneheaded play.
     
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    my hope is that the couple of games a year where he looks like a NFL QB are against the bills.
     
  8. Br4d

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    He made about a half dozen bad plays a game, errors of omission and commission mingled and the Jets offense repeatedly stalled as a result. When he wasn't making bad plays he rarely made really good ones. The overall effect was to drag the offense down and the Jets scored just 79 points in the first quarter of the season, this despite Green Bay handing them 7 points on the first drive of the second game by turning the ball over on their own 16. After the 1st quarter in Green Bay the Jets had 26 offensive drives and scored just 2 TD's. That's on the QB. The Jets were 1-3 at the end of that string despite finally scoring a couple of TD's in the 2nd half against the Lions.

    Then they went 2 for 24 against San Diego and Denver and the season was essentially over. Aside from the 2 2nd half TD's against the Lions the Jets went 4 offensive TD's in 50 drives after that miracle start in Green Bay. Geno played VERY poorly throughout, which is the only way you can explain a TD rate as bad as that.
     
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    This is the dumbest thread on this board. Lee said nothing.
     
  10. jdon

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    Totally agree with the importance of the "rarely made good plays" part of your comment. Especially in the red zone. Some QBs are error prone, but they are also TD pass prone. Geno---not so much.
     
  11. The 1985er

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    The offense for the most part moved. The red zone issues needs to improve, but certain aspects of his game improved over his rookie year. Plus if they were trying to develop a quarterback yanking the guy at the first mistake or so doesn't make sense.
     
  12. mezzavo

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    You're the dumbest poster on this board because YOU just said nothing. ;):rolleyes:
     
  13. Br4d

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    Yes, however this wasn't his first go-round, like Eli Manning's first year disasters. It was year two and the offense still blew chunks and it was pretty clear that the QB was a primary cause of that. You can point at developing a young QB as a reason to let them continue making mistakes and I'm ok with that as long as they're doing the one thing a QB has to do also, which is get the ball in the end zone a few times a game. If they're not getting the ball in the end zone none of the rest of it matters. That's the job they *have* to do. It's not optional and if they can't do it they can't play QB in the NFL.

    So far in his career Geno Smith fails at getting the Jets in the end zone and he fails in a big way. There's no potential that he could have that over-rides two years of not getting the Jets in the end zone. If he's the guy in camp and the Jet's offense isn't on fire the team is making a mistake. A third season of what we've watched the last two years in terms of scoring would be devastating for the organization.

    That's why I'm on the Cutler bandwagon if he's available. He's not a great QB by any means but he can reliably get you in the end zone 2 or 3 times a game and he doesn't need to be handed the ball on the other side of the 50 to make that happen. The Jets had 27 TD's out of the offense combined last year. Cutler passed or rushed for 30.
     
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    That's what letting a guy play through mistakes accomplishes, learning from mistakes and gaining experience. I agree he needs to put up more scores and he'll be competing this year and if he still struggles he might get benched a lot sooner.
     
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  15. Br4d

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    Name one QB who struggled the way Geno has over 29 career starts who turned into a good NFL QB after Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998. The only one I can think of is Alex Smith and he's a game manager whose team often struggles to put up points and is capped as a result. The passing rules have become so permissive that struggling mightily to score points is no longer an acceptable growth pattern for a young QB.

    If Geno was a 1st round pick we might be stuck with watching him play another season without major improvement. He's not. He'd be nailed to the bench on any other NFL team right now with a replacement already in place. He only has the opportunity he has because the bar was set so low by the time Mark Sanchez left town. He only has the opportunity because developing a QB was a total conundrum for Rex and he couldn't figure it out.
     
  16. The 1985er

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    Maybe Brees. Anyway Geno did make improvements which if he builds on those improvements could lead to a more efficient offense. Can he be a consistent starting qb I don't know, it seems bleak however I have no problems with him getting a chance to compete with a vet, and seeing if a light comes on in year 3. If not you have a vet and a young developmental qb waiting in the wings.
     
  17. Br4d

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    There's no vet the Jets could bring in as competition who wouldn't either win the competition the moment he was acquired or probably suck balls if he ever had to play. That's the problem. If you go get Hoyer or Henne and Geno fails again the season is over. If you get Cutler or Fitzpatrick they're going to be the de facto QB the moment they walk in the door.

    I think the Jets are at a point where pretending that Geno is a legitimate option just doesn't work any more. If he comes to camp and blows everybody away then you get your miracle finish and everybody is happy. But you can't go to camp with him and a cast of people not clearly better and expect to have anything other than a repeat of last year, with an offense that is so weak the Jets can't win.

    The real problem is that Geno isn't good cover for a 1st round rookie either. No matter how deep the commitment the Jets make to sitting the rookie in 2015 he's going to be on the field by game 6 at the outside if Geno is the default cover.
     
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    It seems to me from watching that a lot of red zone success comes about by being able to find a second or third read, or knowing when to move to prolong a play. Most teams know what the other guy wants to do in the red zone. Geno just did not have the capability that the situation required. He might have used his legs sooner and more often. But a he looked like he was locked in most of the time.
     
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  19. Br4d

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    It's also really important to make quick decisions on throwing the ball in the red zone, particularly down inside the 10. There's much less ground to cover and more defenders in it and you have to be able to make a quick throw when somebody is open. They're more than likely a lot less open than they'd be at midfield, due to the number of defenders in a tight space and you have to be able to make that pass.
     
  20. elgoman

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    Geno was marching down the field well but Decker was injured and Geno was inconsistent. Still the team had multiple opportunities to win in the red zone against the Bears, Packers, etc (first four games). This is only Geno's 2nd year.

    I know you don't like Geno and so follows your endlessly negative commentary. However I don't think the competition prognostication is as you make out.

    Contrary to popular belief, Geno is better than he was last year. Geno was a better short to intermediate passer than Vick last offseason. This is the same Vick that initially beat out Nick Foles in Philly. If Geno is as bad as you say, then a veteran QB back up will and/or a rookie QB will surely beat him (badly). And if that doesn't happen, Geno should start.

    Teams around the league already know that what Fitzpatrick and Henne are. Cutler has already failed with as many weapons as any team can muster. The only player whose book still hasn't been written is Geno's. I don't necessarily see a problem with drafting a rookie QB and starting him in case Geno fails. At that point the team will have found out what Geno is, and the next rookie QB will have had about half a season to prepare. That's enough.
     
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