I was listening to post game on sny and they were hammering sanchez for the loss. I am not a Sanchez homer and I agree the pass to Cumberland was not perfect BUT... it did hit him in the hands. It wasn't an easy catch but it was a catchable ball. They were also killing sanchez on the JJ Watt tipped int in the red zone. JJ Watt is a freaking beast. I have to give that guy some credit for that play. The pass to Cro sucked. If it was 5 yards further and one yard in Cro would have taken it to the house in stride.
I think it would be fair to pin the blame on both receiver and QB on that one. I say because the ball was a fraction bit too early or Cumberland didn't turn around quicker. Because as it played out, the ball was almost above his head when he turned around and it was a laser pass like a high fast ball. Try catching one of those with barely any time to react and you'll know what I mean. The receiver will instinctively react to the ball but those are tough catches so it ended up tipped.
This is a game u can't throw all over Sanchez. He missed some throws, there were some drops, there were some missed tackles and blown coverages. We actually left pts on the field, we could have won this game and it ain't on one guy.
That pick was 100% Cumberland's fault. An NFL receiver must catch any ball that he gets his hands on, not only did he not catch it, he tipped it directly to a defender. Sanchez wasn't to blame on that pass.
I've seen Brady and Bress throw that same kind of ball to their humongous tight ends and they always catch it. The ball was there, it hit his hands, he should have caught it. Sanchez just doesn't have the type of weapons that consistently catch anything but perfectly thrown balls. Keller is the closest thing he has, but he has his own problems with drops. We need that catch everything type receiver.
Kerley has good hands and he runs good routes. He's the closest thing the Jets have had to a complete receiver since Cotchery began to get hurt. His weakness is the same as Cotchery's also, he's not really fast. So when people begin to try to shut him down the Jets will need to have other options available. Cumberland is not a bad receiver but he had two catchable balls get away from him tonight and both of them were key. The Jets passing offense right now has so many suboptimal pieces and a misfiring QB who can't glue them all together. Even the pass Tebow threw was catchable, the receiver just didn't come down with it.
There was a lot of failure to go around on that play from beginning to end. From coaching, to player decisions, to execution. A complete clusterfuck of a play. I'm still having trouble coming to grips with the fact that Sparano rushed the play in on a 3rd and 18 when you're literally a second away from the 2 minute warning and you have one timeout left, that you desperately need because your offensive coordinator cost you your other timeouts because he fancies himself some kind of whiz play designer. So you rush that play in to your gun shy QB and the play that you run isn't even designed for the situation on the field. It was 3rd and 18 but you dump it to Cumberland on a 10 yard curl route? What the hell are you doing man?
the recievers can't trust or even expect sanchez to throw an accurate pass,and when he rarely does trow one it catches them by surprise.
This. This a million times. I was literally screaming something to this effect when I walked out of the stadium. After the sack, how the fuck do you try to rush a play there? Take the 2 minute warning for the time-out that it is, regroup and try to figure out how the fuck you're going to get 18 yards on the next two plays.
Disagree, the ball was high and Cumberland had to leap, if you can call Cumberlands verticle a leap, and it still was off his fingertips. now I'm not going to blame Sanchez really on that throw, he had to put it on a high arc to avoid the deflection, but to put that soley on Cumberland is just silly. But at least now I know why Sanchez fans think there are 5-10 drops per game...sorry, that's not a drop.
I want Sanchez to be good, as Jet fans we need it. But, the facts are: 1) Sanchez does not deliver accurate balls consistently. All the INT's that "are not his fault" because the WR tips "catchable" balls add up. 2) All the tipped passes are due to Sanchez being the WORST, when it comes to staring down his WRs, per another great thread today. I really like Sanchez, and the intangibles he came here with, from USC. His lack of accuracy, and the organization's inability to develop the weak points of his game must be ackknowledged before we can address them.
During game I agreed with Supersonic that Cumberland should of caught ball. But watching morning after, I see Cumberland had arms stretched high and jumped yet ball was way over his head. I have to put that one on Sanchez. This is nothing new though. He is always overthrowing guys.
That was a bad throw by Sanchez. He overthrew Cumberland badly. I placed 90% of the blame on him for that throw. The other 10% on Cumberland because if he doesn't tip the ball straight into the air, it's complete. I mean come on. I know hes trying to make a play to save the bad throw, but the tip into the air is something you are specifically told NOT to do
I don't get why people thought that was an easy catch. When the ball is so far over your head you have to jump for it (and you're not talking about Randy Moss, you're talking about a guy that CAN'T jump), it's ALL on the quarterback. Whether it 'goes off the hands or not'. Saying that pass went off the hands is ludicrous, no it went off his fingertips, as he was leaping up for a ten-yard out. Overthrowing 5-10 yard outs is 100% on the quarterback!
He should have- it wasn't an easy catch but it was very catchable, we had some bad luck last night. Tipped balls cost us the game but you have to give Watt credit, he won the game for Houston.
Ball was high...Keller probably makes that catch...top tier play makers make plays like that. Keller would have...Vernon Davis, Gronk, Lewis from Jax...Cumberland doesn't adjust to ball well if they aren't at his shoulders down. I think he could compliment Keller well in a two TE set - this is something they might have to do since they obviously have no confidence that they can run the ball for 75 yards. Most disturbing stat that calls out the front office and coaching staff...Greene has three 100 yards games in 35 starts. At what point do you just say we were wrong about Greene as a starter and see what you have in Powell and Grimes? Better find out before the end of the season.
Ball was high and early. That ball would have most likely been int in that zone coverage if it wasn't tipped regardless. Blame Sanchez.
I think Sanchez was better than the last few weeks and had some unlucky breaks. But holy cow the turnovers are always back breaking with him.
