Cro never looks great. Go look at the Lions game, the guy looked like trash from the first snap. Looked like he was on the field for 7 hours trying to tackle Adrian Peterson all day, that's how bad he looked. As for the rest of your argument, that would work if players played 100% of the snaps. They don't. Unless your name is Revis or Watt. The vast majority (95%) of the players rotate in and out, that's what you have depth for. Nobody can go all out 100% of the snaps, so you want to limit the snaps to squeeze the most out of every player. And rookies especially won't play more than 50% of the snaps, so that excuse doesn't work. The least of my worries with Cro is his stamina. He should work on his tackling, technique, footwork. What would happen if practice is twice as long? He'd look twice as bad and give up twice as many bigplays.
I could care less about Decker or Marshall owning him. Which is pretty scary since Cro is being asked to cover those type of receivers come week one. But when he gets lit up by the likes of Owusu, Shaq Evans, Enunwa, and the rest of the scrubs (I don't even know their names, that's how much reputation they have), then you just have to worry and point that out. Also, who said nobody is reporting when he makes plays? Go look at the tweets, everytime a corner makes a play it gets mentioned. It's just that Cro gets lit up so much his one positive play per day doesn't make up for it. Revis doesn't get lit up. I remember him maybe getting beat deep once in two weeks, that was yesterday I believe. Cro? He gets shredded every single day, multiple times, by nobodies. That's something to worry about. It's not about whether he's done as a player. I just think we have a way better option on the roster in Marcus Williams and Skrine especially, but we have to keep him in the slot, nobody else can handle the nickel role on our team.
What is he supposed to say? They just gave him a big contract and so far he's looked like utter garbage, that's the cold truth. Of course he protects Cro and his own investment until it's getting to a point where he can't defend him anymore. We're not there yet so obviously he's not gonna call Cro out just yet. Is Cro going to look different come week 1? I have no clue but that wouldn't make any sense to me. I want to believe it but it's hard to buy into that.
Training camp has changed drastically from what it once was. For a vet like Cromartie who has experienced both..he has earned the right to make a statement like that. As for his play? I was worried the day they signed him. I do like him as a gadget type w/ a different role suiting his size & vertical ability.Seems like it's been pretty ugly in camp.Bowles just doesn't seemed concerned at all nor does Cro move down the depth chart. Something has to give on the edges. We are WAY too slow on both flanks w/ faster arguably better options on the team! Cromartie-Coples Pace-Revis Cro could be replaced by Marcus Williams or Buster Skrine.Both faster players at this point. Coples could be a "gadget" player for the front 7.Freelancing between DE/DT & yes even alittle OLB depending on situation. I see Reilly as the strong side replacement there when needed. Pace does a lot of little things well & you find a way to use him.But Mauldin starting in front of him may just make an awful lot of sense.Yes Mauldin needs technique work but the unit desperately needs his speed & motor on the edge.The rest of the front 7 is pretty much veterans at this point..they will more than compensate for any rough edges around Mauldin's game.Jets just need that speed.Desperately.
Cro is 31 and in the category of players who are more dependent on their physical attributes than their learned techniques. He's very likely to go over in a hurry at this point. Not saying that's happening this year but it will happen in the near future.
I said I thought by the end of the year that Cromartie would no longer be the number 2 CB. I still think that will be the case.
Game one showed how unmotivated he is, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He did make the pro bowl last year but of course he didn't have the plague playing across from him then where no QB would go anywhere near him.
what does Bowles role have anything to do with it. Even as a HC are you suggesting he has no clue whats going on with his starting CB? Bowles was the DC for Ari last year and no doubt had input into signing him onto his team this year. If Bowles had cause for concern last year with Cro he'd of expressed it during free agency. He obviously gave his stamp of approval. Arizona fans were REALLY upset Cro left. Who cares about getting toasted in practice? Cro is working on technique and communication. He has nothing to prove in terms of coverage. Do you really think in a matter of months Cro suddenly lost all his steps and can no longer play? Let's not overreact folks. Cro will be fine. The whole defense is learning a new language, and it's only been 2 weeks. Let's not freak out over Cro in training camp. We know what Cro is, and frankly he's the last of my concerns. We should be spending more time talking about how the safeties are picking up the defense and communicating, plus how the linebackers are coming along. Bowles himself said he just started to see the D gel in the last few days, which is to be expected. I expect to see some improvement tomorrow, and a true read by game 3.
I don't think we've seen enough of Bowles either way to know whether he'd not say or do anything in a situation like that just because the FO gave Cro the contract they did. It may be merely that Bowles more or less agrees with what Cro has said and is not that concerned. Many here said that Cro's performance in 13 showed that he was done. I disagreed as did some others, because we knew he was hindered by an injury that was not career threatening, and he would get over it. So he does not get signed by the Jets, who went 4-12 in large part because they had no one to play Cb (some here thought Walls would be adequate as a starter!). Meanwhile he goes to AZ and plays quite well. I have not heard anything suggesting why we should think he's suddenly and literally finished. Including nothing from Bowles or the CS on that score. So I am not going to set off hte fire alarm just yet.
exactly and nail hit on head. Cro clearly wasn't done in 13 he was fantastic last year. Nothing to see here ya'll.
I didn't say he had no clue, I said he has less time to pay attention to the D and Cro individually. That is true. Cromartie is a guy who has always relied on his superior athleticism as opposed to technique. He is at an age where his physical abilities are going to start to decline sooner than later if they haven't already. If he relied more on technique and less on physical abilities (see Revis) this wouldn't be as big of a worry for me but I do fear his decline will be pretty rapid and obvious. Getting smoked by every WR on our roster doesn't give me warm fuzzies inside. You will NEVER hear a guy like Revis downplay the importance of practice. I'm also not saying you guys are wrong. I hope you are right and that he turns it on week 1.
exactly. thats why Revis will play long into his 30s and probably end up in the HOF and Cromartie will be out of the league selling autographed photos at $50 a pop wishing he took practice & film study more seriously
He had 1-2 good games I believe. He deflected ZERO passes over the final 8 games. He didn't make a single play in coverage for half of the year. I don't think he was terrible last year but I don't see why people keep saying he played well either. Anyway, I'm just saying so far if you had to put together the starting lineup and judge those guys by camp and preseason performances, I'd definitely go with Marcus Williams over him, it's not even close. Williams has played well, his coverage is good, he makes plays in coverage, he doesn't get beat deep regularly. Cro's performance so far bothers me. He's getting torched left and right by everybody. I know there's more to it, maybe he will become a different player in week 1, maybe they are just doing whatever he claims they're doing (communication etc.), I have no clue, I'm not in the meeting room. I have faith in Bowles, if he's not worried about Cro then I'm not gonna say otherwise. I'm just pointing this out there, I'm not gonna be shocked if he doesn't suddenly become a different player come week 1. I haven't seen that happen personally where somebody gets beat left and right in practice by nobodies and suddenly when it counts he's dominating against the best. I'd be worried with everybody who performs like that. If Mangold gets pushed around in practice by Ronald Talley how can you say he's gonna be different come week 1 against quality DT's? I have a very hard time buying into it. Unless all this is just communication and whatnot. If it is it can be fixed. We'll see I guess.
I disagree, but assuming you really feel this way, then you must also feel Mac should not have signed him. Or is this covering yourself? I have faith in Bowles, if he's not worried about Cro then I'm not gonna say otherwise. I'm just pointing this out there, I'm not gonna be shocked if he doesn't suddenly become a different player come week 1. Interesting the use of the word "just" in that quote. Seems like you are saying a good deal more than you're not going to shocked etc... You're saying from last year that he didn't play well last year (I disagree) and you expect him to be even worse this year. WHich I have to take means not worse than he was only, but also BAD. Right? Again, I will start to get nervous if Bowles indicates dissatisfaction in some manner. Unless and until then, meh.
At this point in his career he isnt proving anything more by going hard in practice. Might be the wrong way to go about things but the fact is he's our starting CB opposite Revis..no matter how bad he looks in camp thats not going to change. I'll complain if Week 1 of the regular season comes along and he looks like shit in situations that matter. But for now there is zero reason to complain/worry Camp and preseason is more for the young guys to show what they are all about. Even if Cro looked amazing right now it wouldnt make me think of him as anything more or anything less of the player that he's already proven to be.
I would like for it to be about improving his craft rather than proving anything but I also understand not everyone is motivated that way.
Cro was the safest bet. We weren't getting any other quality corners, Cro was the only guy left and he played for Bowles last year, of course this was going to work out that way. Dee missed the year, Dex missed the year, Bowles wasn't going to come in and not address the 2nd corner job and just hope for somebody who hasn't proven anything yet to step up. So yeah, Cro was the safest bet. You plug him in and you're good to go for that year, you know what you're gonna get with him. I'm going by what we've seen from him in camp and against the Lions. I have no clue what he'll look like in week 1, nobody does. I don't know if he's gonna be worse or better than last year. All you can do is look at how he's performing right now and that's not good. It's pretty bad actually. So don't just sweep that under the rug and then hope for him to play well in week 1. Those are some valid concerns we have right now. I mean we all hope he does well but you can't blindly go ahead and say that he will when evidence doesn't really back that up. He wasn't bad in practice years ago when he had that terrific season with us. This is a red flag right now, it's a concern. Whether it turns out to be true in week 1-3 we'll see but there's nothing wrong with pointing this out. Nobody is saying he sucks as a player and he will be garbage this year.
