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  1. GordonGecko

    GordonGecko Well-Known Member

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    karl anthony towns's mother is COVID-19 positive, on a ventilator and in a coma in the ICU
     
  2. SOXXX2

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    Cuomos a snake oils salesman. He is the one who determines if more hospitals can open, expand, add extra ICU beds every year in the state of NY. He also turned down purchasing 1000s of ventilators.

    Cuomo can't blame anyone but himself for NY not being prepared, he is THE PERSON who decides if Hospitals should expand or not. He can sit there and say Orange Man bad all he wants, but he is fully responsible for NY at the end of day and he could have had everything ready.

    But like most of the world, no one was prepared for this, so people should stop trying to blame others.
     
  3. Ralebird

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    He's the Governor, not the Emperor. He doesn't make decisions about opening or closing hospitals. Part of the reason no one here was prepared is because Mr. Trump closed the office charged with the preparation. It has also come out that a "Playbook" for pandemic response was ignored which pushed back such things as having adequate supplies and equipment by about two months.

    I'm going to call BS on the ventilator story; that's been one of Cuomo's biggest complaints:

    The Poynter Institute

    Donald Trump stated on March 24, 2020 in a Fox News town hall: Says N.Y. Gov. Andrew Cuomo “rejected buying recommended 16,000 ventilators in 2015 for the pandemic, for a pandemic, established death panels and lotteries instead. So, he had a chance to buy, in 2015, 16,000 ventilators at a very low price, and he turned it down.”


    By Miriam Valverde March 25, 2020
    Donald Trump misses key facts in claim that New York governor refused to buy ventilators in 2015
    If Your Time is short
    • A 2015 New York state report said that in the case of a “severe” pandemic, the state would be short about 16,000 ventilators during the peak week. But the report did not recommend buying 16,000 ventilators, and did not indicate whether the state was at a fiscal position to purchase them.

    • The state did not plan to increase its ventilator stockpile because it anticipated that in the event of a severe crisis, there would be shortage of trained staff to operate them and demand would outweigh any emergency stockpile.

    • The report said the state had to balance the likely ventilator shortage with the need for adequate funding for current and ongoing health care expenses.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-trump-misses-key-facts-claim-new-york-gover/
     
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  4. Donttasemebro

    Donttasemebro Well-Known Member

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    This is utter horseshit and you should be ashamed for parroting that kind of gaslighting.
     
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  5. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    From the one in Parsippany at the Hilton.
     
  6. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    This isn't substantiated.
     
  7. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    The Trump administration has gutted FEMA to use it as a slush fund for his priorities ignoring Congress appropriates. FEMA has been stressed by Global warming. They have to respond to more fires, more flood damage, larger tornado's and now pandemic. The Federal government unlike the States doesn't have to balance the budget.

    FEMA needs more funding and it needs the POTSU to use the funds for emergencies instead of funding his immigration policy when Congress won't appropriate for it.
     
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  8. NYJetsO12

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    Put yourself in Cuomos shoes, hes running the whole state of NY and Hospitals are just part of it. Money allocated for ventilators beds and staff fall under the private sector as well

    The advent of the Pandemic made it a National crisis with NY just a part of it. Thats why he wanted to see how the Feds would help each state first rather than bringing your own budget down to zero

    Shame on you for calling him a "snake oil salesman " when lives of Drs Nurses and Patients are at stake

    The real sales con is going on in Washington
     
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  9. The Waterboy

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    Well I'm hoping my son doesn't have to go through all this. He works at a bank on the upper west side and a worker at another branch tested positive so they closed that branch. Except there are a few workers that float between the branches and he happened to be working with one of them the other day, well she got sent home sick that day. He wasn't just in the branch with her, they were doing double verification transfers so he had to be sitting right next to her.

    He's been avoiding my 82 year old mom since he is staying with her right now but he's probably going to head to a hotel to quarantine, just to not take any chances with her.
     
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  10. SOXXX2

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    "ORANGE MAN BAD, Cuomo is not responsible for anything in NY State"

    Gotcha, maybe you should get your facts straight, because Cuomo DOES decide about hospitals.
     
  11. SOXXX2

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    LOL shame on your for defending Cuomo when he lies, when lives of Drs Nurses and Patients are at stake
     
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  12. The Waterboy

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    What do you expect from someone who claimed to go to the Mexican border to fight the Zetas, claimed to have been refused entry to Canada, claims to wear "$700 jeans and $400 belts", and was going to move to Australia as soon as possible (that was years ago)?
     
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    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    The Surgeon General has determined the donning of over tight designer jeans may be hazardous to your health....
     
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    Kim Kardashian is fucked
     
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  15. Donttasemebro

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    troll. find something better to do with your time.
     
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  16. SOXXX2

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    How am I trolling? You mad you can't accept reality?

    NY hospitals have been in bad shape for years, Cuomo has the final say on whether a hospital can expand or open. This on Andrew Cuomo, hospitals are in bad shape and so are the NY state prisons right now, inside the prisons masks aren't even being given out while the virus spreads like wildfire, this is Andrew Cuomos prisons, not Donald Trumps.

    Trumps not the one who makes those decisions, it's Andrew Cuomo who has done a horrible job running NY state. To many of you just have so much trouble taking off your Orange Man bad derangement syndrome goggles to face reality.

    Explain why Cuomo is not addressing the Prison meltdown that is currently occurring in his state prisons. ... (go ahead and say its trumps fault... I'm sure you all will find a way to twist it)
     
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  17. JetBlue

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    Why is it one or the other? Trump's horrible response is evident, but it doesn't mean because he has been terrible Cuomo by default is blameless. I don't know anything about NY politics but it seems the current debate going on is about absolving whoever is on your team rather than simply evaluating them on their individual merits. Trump is irrelevant to any criticism of Cuomo, and vice versa.

    If a report advised that 16,000 ventilators would be needed in a pandemic and Cuomo decided he had more pressing needs to finance, then Cuomo has contributed to the shortage.
     
  18. stinkyB

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    Detract and deflect...... "Whataboutism" Modern day US politics :(
     
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  19. Ralebird

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    The Division of Hospitals and Diagnostic and Treatment Centers (D&TCs) is under the statutory authority of Article 28, Section 3401 of the Public Health Law (PHL), and Title 10 of the New York Codes of Rules and Regulations (NYCRR), Section 405.

    This organization decides the need for hospitals, clinics and similar institutions. They decide how many beds a hospital may have; they decide when and where hospitals should open, close or expand or contract.

    Simply, you don't know what you're talking about.
     
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