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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Petrozza, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. SOXXX2

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    Exactly!

    And that sets the stage for every other hack in Washington to play their putrid partisan games rather than actually doing the jobs they were elected to perform.
     
  3. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Bitcoin? You actually have the balls to post such nonsense? You can't expect anyone to take such a thing seriously so why bother to post it?
     
  4. HomeoftheJets

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    Cuomo did make nursing homes take back patients recovering from Covid. He did it because hospitals were overwhelmed, and he didn't know what else to do, so it isn't entirely fair to compare his situation to that of, say, DeSantis who had the luxury of having his people stay at home before he took action. But still, Cuomo did do it.
     
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    Why does the source matter? Go validate the information yourself instead of constantly attacking every source I post.
     
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    Not exactly.

    The State Health Department made the regulation, not the governor. You are correct that patients had to be moved out of hospitals prematurely because others were streaming in. But no nursing home was forced to take any patient that they could not properly care for. That means they had to have adequate space apart from those not infected, they had to have adequate trained staff and adequate equipment and PPE. The failure was at the nursing homes that took patients when they could not provide the level of safety and care required.

    We'll need to wait for the investigation to see where the holes in the system were. I suspect it may largely be nursing homes accepting top dollar and providing penny pinching care. It's not like they've never done that kind of thing.
     
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    "Why does the source matter?"

    Priceless.
     
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    Yet you would probably count CNN, NYTimes, MSNBC as credible sources right?

    If the information is accurate, who cares who posts it. Unless you like to censor information you dont like.
     
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    You have this weird obsession with censorship. The way it works in this country is that the government can't censor speech (though there are exceptions even to that). Private sources (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, TGG) are under no obligation to allow speech they don't like.
     
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    Against "Dr. Bitcoin" I would accept any of the others with my eyes closed.

    "If the information is accurate" people don't need to hide behind anonymous Twitter accounts. It's not "information" if it's not true.

    People post BS every day without sources because they want the reader to just accept it rather than question it .
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Cuomo responsible for what the health department is doing? Anyway, Cuomo was caught between a rock and a hard place. Ideally he would have set up a system for those patients to stay in hotels or something like that, but he didn't really have the time to pull it off. He didn't have the luxury that most of the red states did of having an extra couple to few weeks before the virus arrived.
     
  12. SOXXX2

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    I dont know but a lot of the field hospitals were empty:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/8517...n-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
     
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    No matter who's fault it is...

    The nursing home death rate was horrible...and preventable using common sense.
     
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    Honest question: What should Cuomo have done? If you leave the nursing home residents in the hospital, there's no room for new people, which means you're condemning the new people to die. Maybe you can get the nursing home residents in a hotel, but they won't receive the care they need there, and I'm not sure if it was even possible to set up a hotel quickly enough.
     
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    The Javits Center had completed 1,200 beds by March 30th. The USS Comfort arrived the same day. He could've easily pivoted if he had his finger on the pulse better than he did and turned those into Covid spaces. That argument is kind of silly. He had the hospital space but he and the health department royally fucked up the management of it's space.
     
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    No room for new people?

    Who was getting turned away?
     
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    They were putting Covid patients in the hallways.
     
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    Definitely, in hindsight, Cuomo screwed up. But out of fairness to him, he was forced to make those decisions in real time, and that's very hard to do. The vast majority of governors had the opportunity to learn from NY's mistakes and also benefited from their people staying at home when they saw what was happening in NY. Cuomo didn't have that luxury.
     
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    I don't know, some would say the governor is responsible for everything that happens within the state just as some might say the president is responsible for everything that happens within the country. Was the nursing home rule a product of the Department of Health completely or did the governor need to concur or simply make such an announcement?

    If nursing homes, already licensed by the state were unable to perform adequate infection control how could anyone expect a hotel to do so; the only similarity is that they had beds and bathrooms?

    Again, the nursing home had the responsibility to be able to isolate infected patients, follow proper procedures with properly trained personnel and provide proper equipment. Simply wheeling someone through the door was just the beginning of their responsibilities as licensed facilities.
     

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