Can we stop talking about Darius Heyward Bey

I'm not big on Heyward-Bey either. He reminds me off Bernard Berrian.

A great deep threat, but that's really the only thing receivers like them can do - they can maybe catch 50 to 60 balls in a good year.

We lack a number one receiver...someone that can make all the catches, all over the field. - in the redzone, over the middle, up the sideline, deep, short, medium - I don't see that guy in this year's draft class. Crabtree will be gone by our pick -- Maclin, Heyward-Bey, and Harvin are all slot guys. They're all speed, and speed only.

 

how are Jeremy Maclin, Heyward-Bey slot receivers if Im not mistaken Marylands QBs have sucked over the past couple of seasons so it would be hard to judge a guy based on bad QB's. But I mean I really dont see how any of these guys would be slot receivers. Are they all Michael Crabtree's of course not. Now having said that I like Maclin more than I do Heyward-Bey, but I still would not mind. Plus we talk about a receiver we need a speed guy and heyward bey is known for his vertical speed.

 

Jeremy Maclin has game speed and nice moves - that's about it. That works in college. He only runs about four routes. He plays in a gimmick system at Mizzou that pumps of passing stats...I know, I know Crabtree plays in a run 'n shoot offense, which is also a gimmick offense, but Crabtree has three inches and close to twenty pounds on Maclin. When I watch him I see Mark Clayton, who's a very good wideout, but not a #1.

Don't give me that crap about Maryland's crappy QB play...Chris Turner is second in the ACC with 2318 yards. He did make a lot of mistakes, but in the Maryland games that I watched he improved and Heyward-Bey dropped a lot of balls. I'll take Insanity's word - he's seen the guy play in person and he's a Terps fan/student. If he doesn't have anything good to say about that guy, then something's up. He's a deep threat and that's it - he's the next Devery Henderson.

We don't need a "speedster", we need a #1 receiver. Coles is aging and Cotchery is clearly a second wideout. When you draft a wideout in the first round, you want to find that guy that can be a #1 receiver, that can scare opposing defenses, and that can catch 100 balls in the NFL. You have to be able to go over the middle in the pros - I don't see Maclin or Heyward-Bey being serious threats ALL over the field. They aren't #1 receivers. You put speed in the slot - they've got speed.

In my opinion, this isn't the year to draft a receiver high. Look at the 2010 WR class:

Arrelious Benn of Illinois
Carlton Mitchell of South Florida
Vidal Hazelton and Damian Williams of USC
Brian Hartline of Ohio State
Hakeem Nicks of UNC
Brandon LaFell of LSU
Kenny Britt of Rutgers

(some might enter in '09)

These are just some of the guys that could go in the first round in 2010. I really, really like Brandon LaFell. He's a lot similar to former LSU Tiger Dwayne Bowe. A big, fast, physical receivers that fights for the ball and for extra yardage.

I would like to see the Jets go after a receiver with some height in the 4th round. We're not going to be in a position to draft one in 2009. Greg Carr, Ramses Barden, Aaron Kelly, Marko Mitchell.

 

I don't see your point about the 2010 WRs - you only list one WR that will be a #1 in the NFL by naming Arrelious Benn, just like this year with Crabtree.

Also, you cannot say Maryland's QB is good. He is the epitome of inconsistence at the QB position - how can a WR develop and be a consistent threat when he doesn't have a consistent QB throwing him the ball. If DHB was on a team like Purdue that had a good run game with Kory Sheets and good QB with Painter, he would become Painter's go-to WR and he would probably put up some great numbers. Is Heyward-Bey my favorite WR in the draft? No, but at the bottom of the 1st round what else are we going to get? You don't get a chance ever really to draft a WR with DHB's size/speed and potential, especially outside of the Top 10.

 

Kenny Britt

 

Wait a second, the 4-8 Purdue Boilermakers are a good team? ...since when?

Chris Turner was the best QB that the Terps had - that's sad, but he had them in the ACC title hunt for most of the season. The ACC is garbage, but Turner didn't play that well over '08, but he didn't play that bad either...Heyward-Bey isn't a go to receiver.

I bet you don't even know who the other guys on that list are.

USF's Carlton Mitchell should be a Top 10 pick - He's huge, fast, and he's been productive his entire college career. Rutgers' Kenny Britt's the same type of player.

UNC's Hakeem Nicks and LSU's Brandon LaFell have all the talent in the world.

Damian Williams of USC has been performing well all year filling in for injury plagued Vidal Hazelton. Hazelton is set to transfer, probably to a I-AA school, where he'll dominate.

Will you do me a favor man? Please stop trying to outsmart me when it comes ANYTHING about college football. First you try to tell everyone that Rhett Bomar led the Sooners to a National Championship during his redshirt season, and now you're trying to BS about Curtis Painter and the letdown Boilermakers...Painter had a worse senior season that Clemson's Cullen Harper. Sheet had 1131 yards rushing and 16 TD - hmmm that's pretty good. Not as good as Wells, Ringer, Royster, and Greene - who are also Big 10 RBs. I hate it when guys like act like they know what they're talking about.

Let me know how that EA Sports NFL Head Coach '09 game is, will you? I bet you have a great time scouting for the Bucs on your PS3.

 

:rofl: Alright you enjoy Armchair GMing while I'll actually work with a team in the National Football League.

Also Bomar led the Sooners to a victory in the Holiday Bowl, a year after the NC so I got the year switched when I did a quick check on it and put down the wrong one. But hey, it's cool that you're the only one who keeps saying something about that trying to use it to make me sound like I don't know what I'm talking about at all.

And LOL at me not knowing any of those WRs on your little list. It is because I know all of them thoroughly that I can make that statement with confidence. I made it a point of watching Mitchell this year because I really like his size/speed combo, but he did not impress me at all when I watched him. He doesn't have sure hands, did not block well at all, and despite his speed had trouble getting open.

Hakeem Nicks filled in admirably for the Tarheels when Brandon Tate went down with his ACL/MCL injury earlier in the year - but he won't be a #1 WR in the NFL by a long shot. Tate would be a good WR to pick up late in the draft, maybe 6-7th round because if he can get back to 100% pre-injury form he'd be a big time steal.

Kenny Britt is an intriguing guy, and is #2 on your list but whether he will be a #1 WR in the NFL is up in the air. He'd have to add about 15 lbs - he's far too lanky/skinny right now to take a hit from a safety across the middle.

The rest of the WRs are simply not #1 material.

And as for my comments on Purdue - when did I say they were a good team. I said they had a good running game and good QB. Painter had a great year last year with that same running game. Why? He had his #1 WR in Dorien Bryant and he had Dustin Keller. Coming off of last year Painter was considered a 1st round QB because of his physical tools and his production. This year he had no talent or targets at WR (or TE for that matter) and his production in comparison was quite poor. DHB would easily become Painter's #1 target and he would have had a great year as opposing defenses would have had to respect the run game and Painter would have been able to throw him the long ball. PSU and Ohio State run versions of the spread that unlike Texas Tech do not highlight the passing the game, Iowa does not have a good QB as they were carried literally by Greene, and the same is the case for Michigan State and Ringer - all reasons why I didn't use those teams as examples.

I know you think you are right 100% of the time but you simply aren't. I don't care if you don't recognize that, or if you don't believe me. You can make points to some people on these boards and have them call you a "resident expert" or whatever title you prefer, but in most of your comments directed at me you just sound like an idiot. I'm going to enjoy how you try to twist this to make me sound dumb.

 

Bey is a playmaker, and he has a body type that can gain weight.

He's my 2nd best WR in this draft. Crabtree and Britt are 1 and 3.

 

whoever is the most technical route runner is the WR I want. He will get open. Please have speed too.

 

Berrian would be awesome if he could catch.

 

He can catch the deep ball - just barely anything else

 

1. You basically S'd Purdue's offensive D in that post that I quoted.

2. What you're saying is Curtis Painter was only good because of Bryant and Keller - when he actually had the same amount of weapons, if not more in 2008. Desmond Tardy, Greg Orton, and Keith Smith are pretty nice weapons in a passing attack. I'm not high on Sheets as a pro, and I think Painter sucks. Great, hell just good quarterbacks can produce with mediocre talent around them.

3. Hakeem Nicks was a huge talent coming out of high school - if you're going to attempt to knock Heyward-Bey's inconsistancy on poor QB play, then you can do the same for Nicks at UNC. UNC had some of the worst QB play in the nation, unlike Maryland who was just in the middle. He had success without having the compliment of Brandon Tate next to him. That's one of the best things #1 wideouts do - they get open, even if they're double teamed.

4. Wow, Rhett Bomar won the Holiday Bowl. I bet he felt like he won the National Championship after that HUGE win. Bottom line: that wasn't a small mistake - you were trying to make Bomar sound like a huge steal, and you fabricated some bullshit. Sorry, but I had to call you out.

5. Honestly man, I don't think anyone here considers me a "resident expert" - I know that I'm not an expert either. I love college football, and I like talking about the draft. I probably know more than the average guy, because I read about that kind of stuff many times daily...You're the guy that calls himself The GM. It's fairly obvious to me that you know WAY fuckin' more than anybody here - I try to make you sound dumb? You make yourself look dumb by shitting on what anybody else says in here - your mock off-seasons are piss poor and unrealistic, so people let you know that and you jump all over them. It's an opinion based board...my "opinions" are just far more realistic than your's.

I love how you called me arm-chair GM. I really just consider myself a football addict. However, you tried to pass off as a REAL NFL scout for the Tampa Bay Bucs - why the hell are you on a Jets' board? Why don't you pull a Scott Wright and make your own website? That might make you feel important. They probably got fed up with your mock off-seasons over at the Bucs' message board, so you came here. Nobody cares about your garbage here, so you might as well pack it up.

 

DHB is a SLOT receiver? On what planet?

 

It's my opinion - I just don't see the guy being a #1 or #2 wideout. He's a deep threat - a Bernard Berrian clone

 

Dorien Bryant and Dustin Keller are much better weapons than anything Painter has this year - that is not even a question. Bryant was to the Boilermakers what Harvin is to the Gators and Keller presented the same matchup problems in college as he does in the NFL.

And the only person to dislike my last mock was, well, you I believe. Shocker. I never tried to highlight Bomar as a huge steal - I like his physical tools and his mobility and I think in the 5th round he would be a great value pick to add to the QB competition. Also, you can say Painter sucks but he is statistically the best Purdue QB to play there, better than Brees even though I don't value statistical comparison that much if at all. Painter has great arm strength, a lightning quick release, but when the Boilermakers are down and they need to play catch-up he tends to make bad decisions and tries to make the big play happen like Stafford. Painter would not be bad for the Jets offense if he could get his reads and decision making skills right - big guy with a big arm and maybe the fastest release in NCAA.

If we miss on Bomar, I'd target Rusty Smith from FAU but he'll likely stay for his senior season. He is a huge guy with a big time arm, makes all the throws and is very accurate - he just lacks great mobility.

And as for your Bucs comment - obviously you don't know anything about working in the NFL. You can be a Jet fan and work as a Bucs scout and at he Bucs TC, just like you can be a Jets fan and be drafted by the Patriots and play for the Patriots. You go where there is a job opening and where you will get paid to do your job. If the Jets had an opening at a scout related position I would apply for it. It's all about getting your foot in the door. Another stupid comment.