Calvin Pryor favorite for Defensive ROY, according to ESPN.

When was the last time a defensive back won DROY? Was it Woodson? Reed? I think its been a while is all I'm saying.

on that basis I'd call it unlikely unless he gets like 10 turnovers.

we can dream though, Pryor Amaro wins OROY, Amaro Pryor wins DROY.

 

I think you've got that backwards. Pryor as DROY and Amaro as OROY.

If he ends up being a heavy-hitting ball hawking free safety then he's got a good chance at it, depending on how many sacks Clowney gets. Clowney has to be the favorite, since he's a pass rusher and the #1 overall pick.

 

Woodson, the last safety that won DROY was in the 80's, Mark Carrier.

 

thanks, fixed.

yup I'm seeing that now, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_Rookie_of_the_Year#Associated_Press_NFL_ROTY_Award

A LOT of linebackers wind up winning this thing. maybe thats because its the easiest to adjust to position on the defensive side of the ball?

it just doesn't seem like the odds are in Pryor's favor.

 

I think Bills Over Jets should pipe up with a lecture about how long Pryor has played in this league.

 

bahahahah....too funny.

who won OROY last year? I have no clue.

But yeah, Pryor following up Sheldon would be fantastic and another huge feather in Rex's cap. B2B DROY after Pettine bails out. hahahahaha

 

You know if this is even a possibility then Rex is going to put Pryor in every conceivable situation/position to make the big hit and grab the big int. Big hits = Respect = DROY.

A player like Clowney can have 10-12 sacks but even those lofty numbers means less than one sack per game. Whoopie.

But Pryor can lay someone out cold EVERY game AND snag an INT. Seems like a hard hitting Safety has more opportunities to run up the score than a pass rusher who's getting dbl teamed every snap especially on 3rd and long.

Go Pryor!

 

Clowney is too much of a freak especially when he's going to be lining up across from the biggest freak of them all every play. It would take Pryor doing absolutely everything right and pulling in a LOT of INTs on top of that to even be in the hunt. That said he fits this defense and Rex and fills a big hole on the roster perfectly. Regardless of whether he's DROY I expect him to excel and turn a lot of heads around the league and in the media over the next couple of years. He's the type of pick that is going to let Rex start running wild with his schemes again and scaring the shit out of opposing offenses, instead of just having a D that's stingy against the run and trying not to hemorrhage too badly against the pass which is what it's been for 2-3 years now.

With all the young talent in Richardson Milliner Wilkerson Harrison now Pryor and even a decent chance Coples steps up this defense is going to start to be seriously fun to watch again. Like '09-'10 fun, maybe even more so.

Obviously Pettine wasn't happy here but regardless he's now a HC so could care less how many DROYs the Jets have now that he has his own team.

 

Every sack generally requires a failure or breakdown of the o-line in some fashion. You rarely have one without the other.

But playing Safety is different. There's nothing sweeter than a perfectly thrown long ball drop into the hands of the WR in stride only to have the Safety fly over and SMASH the dude into next week forcing a incompletion or fumble while WR-Dude is rolling around on the turf wondering what day it is.

A Safety can DESTROY a perfect play all on his own while a pass rusher needs a lineman (or QB) to whiff, like on Strahan's 'Sack Record'.

 

Pettine wasn't happy b/c Rex knocked him down a peg an yoinked play calling duties from him. "You're ok kid but you're no me now give me those back and go find something else to do. Go play BB with Metha or something".

and now Pettine is the enemy who probably wishes he paid more attention in class when Professor Ryan was talking.

 

Depends, McCourty was an all-pro, probowler, and recorded 7 INT's as a rookie in 2010 and only received 2 votes for DROY, if someone capable of producing sacks puts up 6 or 7 as a rookie then your guy has absolutely no chance of sniffing the award.

Sacks are somehow more valuable than turnovers.

 

I agree...which is why I put 'huge hits' first. Highlite real baby. Ints suck, but getting BLASTED sucks way worse and gives more points in the DROY chase.

Edit: If ints were Rex's goal, he could have drafted ha ha dix. Rex's goal is BIG HITS. Rex said nothing changes a game faster than a crushing hit. So he got the baddest hardest hitting safety he could get. Pryor. Rex wants to see fear in the eyes of any WR or TE that dares enter the gates of hell. And Pryor is Rex's executioner.

It's pretty easy to game plan for an int-man, like Revis. Just don't throw that way. Even Revis said his biggest challenge was boredom. But game planning for a top safety is almost impossible b/c he can line up any where at any time for any reason. He can bury your QB or smash your prize WR 40 yards down field. You just never know.

And Rex will employ every ounce of his genius to put Pryor just where he needs to be to reek his own havoc behind the Sons. Something Rex has always wanted but never had till now.

ESPN giving Pryor the early nod for DROY has more to do with Rex than with Pryor.

 

With Watt drawing double teams every single play it won't take a breakdown for Clowney to get sacks, all he has to do is win a one on one battle in most situations. Expect Clowney's numbers to be gawdy with his talent and all of the attention that Watt commands.

Pryor will make hits and generally make a good impact for us but he needs time to polish his ballhawking so I wouldn't expect a bunch of INTs year one unless he overachieves and really maximizes every single opportunity or has a lot of luck on his side. It's possible but highly unlikely, doesn't mean he won't be a great pick up for us.

Pettine was DC here four years, including the two years of dominant D at the beginning. Four years under Rex is the reason he's already a HC elsewhere, that's enough time for him to have learned more or less everything he was going to learn from Rex. Rex might not be a perfect HC but he is undoubtedly a genius on that side of the ball so those lessons will probably sink in for Pettine for years to come. Time will tell how he puts that information to use and how adept he is on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm sure he's happier to get his chance to step up and prove himself rather than waiting around under Rex for a few more years. If Rex were to get fired this year and Pettine was still here as DC, he might have never gotten the shot he has now.

 

Are the Texans running a 4-3 or a 3-4? Crennel is there so I would guess a 3-4 so Clowney is probably an OLB. He's an unbelievable talent but a position change is still tough.

To get the thread back on topic. There hasn't been a DB as DROY for a while but remember that Kenny Vaccaro and Tyrann Mathieu were serious candidates last year before they got hurt. I don't think Pryors coverage is gonna be great right away but he could have a year like Vaccaro where he racks up a lot of tackles with good pursuit and gets some sacks.

I think McDougle has a good shot at being our best rookie and that he'll win the #2 CB job in camp.

 

I just hope he can stay healthy.. hard hitting safeties often find themselves hurt. I think pryor is a special talent though, i see traits of a couple really good players in him at his position

 

I can't believe they'd take Clowney #1 overall and make him change position on day one. They'll either run a 4-3 to facilitate the transition of their #1 investment or put him at 3-4 DE. Can't tell you which would be a better fit for them but no chance they switch him to OLB.

 

I could be wrong but Pettine always seemed like an unemotional asshole...the opposite of a 'players coach'. He would coach the defense from the box looking down on his Xs and Os playing his little chess match. The blood sweat tears and emotions of the game felt only on the sidelines never seemed to interest him much.

Rex is the opposite. Rex seems to call plays based on the emotion of the game and the looks, high or low, on the faces of his men. He 'feels' his teams strengths and weaknesses in real time. Play by play. To Rex those players playing in front of him aren't just Xs and Os...their living breathing emotional men and Rex seems to feel every bit of it. This is just not a style of coaching that Pettine took with him to Cleveland. Pettine is and always will be an asshole.

Both styles of coaching have done well with the last SB going to a players coach. Time will tell.....

 

By the looks of things they WILL be making him an 3-4 OLB.

he'll likely play the weak side, the OPPOSITE side of Watt. He's not gonna be their Richardson, he's more like their Coples, their "rush" thats only got the left tackle to deal with on most downs and not as much responsibility as a strong side OLB or DE. he'll sometimes start with hands in the dirt, sometimes he'll be upright, but he'll likely be pretty close to the line of scrimmage regardless.

they won't go 4-3 just to make him a defensive end, that might not even help optimize his usage as a pass rusher.

 

Different people can make both styles work in football and most other sports. Rex knows his X's and O's as well as anyone on defense and regardless of their personality differences I'm sure he learned a lot from a strategic point of view of the game if nothing else. Regardless, none of that changes the fact that Pettine is now a HC and doesn't give a shit how well the Jets D does or doesn't do. If he falls on his face he might wish he stuck around a couple more years before taking his shot but he'll just get bumped back down to DC somewhere else and start again. Until then all you're saying is sour grapes about Pettine which really doesn't make sense to me. The team is better off without him and he's better off being an HC somewhere else until proven otherwise. Both sides should be happy to be rid of each other, just let it go.

Wow that's pretty crazy, just looked it up appears to be true. Maybe Pryor does have a real shot then, it'll probably take him a while to get accustomed to all the different responsibilities and techniques of the new position.