http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=111723 This guys stats are incredible, when healthy this guy is consistent. his numbers dropped off in '04 because of an injury, but every body get s hurt some time, he has no nagging injuries, and good arm strength SO, why is it that he was a RFA for the Saints with those numbers he should be a first rounder, and grambling isnt a cupcake sorry little team, there D-1, and decent, at least i think they're D-1, and even if they're not, they're a respectable all-black university.
At 6'1", 260 lbs. I'd hate to see him try to avoid a rush. The best team he played was Jackson State too.
The short of it is he's a porker. At his size, he's up against it. Maybe he can work himself into better shape and make the Saints roster as a 3rd-stringer. He is a good guy and I think because he's a local product the Saints will give him every opportunity to stick around.
Grambling isnt a D 1 school. Grambling does play cupcakes. What does a respectable black university play into all this? Moorehouse is a respectable black university, but i wouldnt want to draft someone because he went there. Mike Hass had phenomenal WR numbers this year, better than those of anyone who went in the 1st and 2nd rd, but he went in the 4th. Numbers dont equal draft status.
Grambling has solid football players, I also went to BCC for camp and trained with the staff there. They get alot of d-1 prospects or 2nd stringers from HUGE programs. I understand what you mean but the name of the college doesnt automatically define the player.
Eugene was the guy that had his entire family moved up into his dorm at Grambling, this was after the disaster, great guy but he is built like a bowling ball, I am happy he got signed, he deserved something for what has happened to him
Grambling has put many players into the NFL. With respect to playing cupcakes, I recall FSU fattening up on the basketball conference that was the ACC prior to the conference stealing the talent from the Big East. The same could be said about the cane's when they went to the Big East. It's Morehouse not moorehouse, and it is quite frankly better than a respectable black College. If a kid went there that could play then I would draft him. The poster is saying that Eugne can play, and he can. With your thinking then Jerry Rice would have never been drafted in the NFL. He went to Mississippi Valley State a SMALL historically black college, which is hardly a footbal factory like Grambling. In addition, it not have the prestige of Morehouse College. At the end of the day Rice could flat out play regardless of where he went to school.
Oh yeah, when people think of elite level football players they think Grambling. Its right up there with USC and Miami. What? What the hell does that have to do with anything? It would make sense if the NY Jets were a basketball team, but last i checked they play football. Oh that helps out your argument. Its MOREHOUSE, not MOOREHOUSE, wow I should be shot dead. Forgive me. You make such an incredible point there. And i know Morehouse is a good college, 3 of my boys just graduated from there. The poster is saying Bruce Eugene should get drafted based on his numbers. The poster also said Grambling is a Div 1 school. Hes also saying he shouldve been a 1st rounder. The poster doesnt sound like he knows what the hell hes talking about. Yeah, thats exactly what im saying(sarcasm). Jerry Rice is one of the exceptions, not the rule. You named one star from that school, amazing. They must churn out 1st rounders left and right. For every successful player who came from a boonie school, i can name 10 stars who came from good colleges like Ohio State, Miami, FSU, USC, Pitt, Texas, the list goes on and on. Jim Brown - Syracuse Emmit Smith - Florida Barry Sanders - Oklahoma State Tim Brown - Notre Dame Cris Carter - Ohio State Art Monk - Syracuse Michael Irvin - Miami Dan Marino - Pitt Joe Montana - Notre Dame Lawrence Taylor - North Carolina Reggie White - Tennessee Who can you name who came from a boonie school? Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, TO, Strahan. For every boonie school player you came name, i can swamp you with HOF's who came from top DIV 1 schools.
Grambling has produced some nice NFL players. Willie Davis (Hall of Famer) Paul (Tank) Younger Ernie Ladd Willie Brown (Hall of Famer) Clifton McNeil Buck Buchanan (Hall of Famer) Goldie Sellers Essex Johnson Charlie Joiner (Hall of Famer) James Harris Frank Lewis John Mendenhall Gary (Big Hands) Johnson James Hunter Sammy White Doug Williams Everson Walls Albert Lewis Bennie Thompson Trumaine Johnson Jake Reed More than 100 Grambling players have played in the NFL.
Im pretty sure there are a ton of colleges that can say that also. And maybe a handful of those guys listed were any good. Theres a difference between elite and serviceable.
Was I arguing with anyone? No. I just wanted to point out some good NFL players from Grambling and inform the board that there were more Grambling players in the NFL than most people probably thought.
dont bother. I know about them. Around 9 of them were good, a few great. The rest were "OK." By no means is that impressive to me. They place over a hundred players in the NFL and only 1/10th of them were good. Theyre a real powerhouse. BTW, who was the last good Grambling player? Most of those guys on that list were from the the 60s and 70s.
Jake Reed was an Amani Toomer type player. Give you a couple good years but no one really knows about them outside of there football town. If I was arguing over how many superstars came out of Michigan, I wouldnt mention Amani Toomer in my argument even though I am a Giants fan and Amani Toomer was/is way better than Jake Reed. Amani never had Cris Carter drawing double teams for him, Toomer did that all by himself. As for Doug Williams, he was a Trent Dilfer type player. He managed the game, nothing special. And the SKins won it all that year during a strike year. And the super bowl MVP thing dont mean much to me. Desmond Howard was a superbowl MVP and his career isnt nothing to talk about either.
I'm not a Grambling apologist. I just pointed out some guys that the school produced- punt return leaders, a guy who led the league in receptions once, a sack leader, 1st round draft picks, Pro Bowlers, Hall of Famers, Super Bowl winners, etc. Of course the school can't touch the number of pros that Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, USC, and the like have produced.
yeah i know. This isnt even your argument, you were just tryin to help out a guy who didnt know what hes talking about(the initial poster and someone else). My whole thing was that all because someone is from Grambling, it doesnt automatically make them legit. Its not like the 60s and 70s when Grambling had real high caliber talent(probably because things were still some what segregated then and the top black talent didnt feel comfortable playing for Texas, Alabama, etc, so they went to top black colleges). Now in the modern era, it isnt as exclusive anymore. Now black players feel comfortable going to mostly any college, so Grambling no longer has those "gems" that other colleges passed up.
Yeah, that is a good point. Mean Joe Greene and L.C. Greenwood also went to black schools, along with many others back then. Also, about Grambling, Eddie Robinson was younger back then and probably had more energy to recruit. He probably got worse at that as years went on.
