Bowles and his staff deserve much applause to date for the job they have done this season. As I continue to point out, this team, despite some of its talent deficiencies, plays the game hard and to the max each time out, and impressive signal and a sign of good coaching and a team that is buying in. Bowles himself has started to win me over and his comments after today's game allow me to feel better and better about him. Bowles provided perspective after the Jets win today, whereas a guy like Rex Ryan would have boasted and preened after a game like this and allowed his team to possibly get too heady. Not Bowles, whose comments would remind someone of what Parcells would say: "We haven’t done anything. We have won three games — three out of five and we still have 11 to play. It is good to string together wins, no matter how pretty or how ugly. It’s good to string together wins and learn how to win in different ways. But we just have to keep getting better every week. By no means were we perfect.”
If I were an investor, I would have bought Bowles stock until this point. Now I would sell because if the team plays up to its talent level in the next few games, the board will be back to calling for his head.
Relative to most of TGG I've been one of Bowles's staunchest defenders. I don't know what your opinion on Bowles has been, but you would never have started this thread three weeks ago. Regardless I think you're overrating him, and if TGG now agrees with you I think they're overrating him too.
Was a big-time critic previously, however, credit where it is due, like the team, Bowles is maturing as a legit HC in this league.
One thing you know is that they will play hard. Which was something that some of the pundits here swore wouldn't happen. Bowles is coaching hard and they're young and they're fast, and they're back home for this game. I hope they curb stomp Brady til he breaks. Anybody rooting against the Jets and any coach or player in this game is a fucking pussy.
Will they? I guarantee if we lost this game, which could have easily happened, posters would claim the players who had bad games (e.g. Mo) weren't playing hard and pin it on Bowles. Kizer doesn't turn the ball over in the red zone, which has nothing to do with Bowles, and the narrative would be entirely different. That's what happened the first two weeks.
Stop being so level headed. I've been extremely against Bowles. But he's coached a good three games. Let's see if this team can keep overachieving under him. Just remember that it's OK to give him credit without being an extreme supporter. I still don't trust him developing a young passer. It would be beneficial for him and this team to try to get Kirk Cousins because he seems like he'll do much better without having to manage a young passer. The offense wasn't good today, but I feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with Bowles developing a young quarterback with Morton in board. Maybe Gailey was the dumpster fire in year 2 not Bowles.
So what. They won the game and that's all that matters. And they played hard. If people are that joyless who gives a fuck? They've won three games and those posters are digging as hard as they can to find negatives, and refuse to consider any positives or that it's even possible. It's not black and white. The idea that Mo has quit is ridiculous. What, he's acting like he cares out there? It's bullshit that he's rooting and happy for his mates? Even if they win the Pats game there will be people puking about shit, real or imagined. I'm looking for a good showing, and will be disappointed if they lose. That doesn't mean that these players suck and Toilet Blows Bowls is a fuvking moron. There's posters that look for mistakes to cry about.They cry and accuse dudes about shit that isn't even a mistake, just a good play made by the other team. It's pathetic. Mistakes are made by all the players and coaches in the NFL, but they'll swear a particular guy is a fucking pile of shit. I'm rooting hard for this team and think they're a little better than people think. They have a long way to go tho and it's gonna take time. Oh well.
1000% correct. Whatever one thinks of this team, anyone that would root for the Pats against the Jets needs to move on to another team because he ain't a Jets fan.
Quite frankly I think the team is playing hard, there is no arguing that. Mo in my opinion is not giving it 100% and has disappointed greatly, but the new breed of youngsters are head and shoulder more aggressive and committed than the old guard. So Bowles deserves credit for that. But as hard as they play, they are not playing smart. Way too many penalties at crucial time. Momentum killers. That is something that needs immidiate fixing and it's on Bowles as well. Like it or not this team is slowly developing some good chemistry, still making a ton of mistakes, but is far more talented at many positions than people on this site appreciate. There is no quit in them. If we beef up the OL in earnest this offseason, our tbd QB will have some fun with this eager group of young receivers and RB next year.
I've got on Bowles and called for his head before due to situational game management decisions but I've also defended him in regards to fans calling him out for "lack of discipline". Lack of discipline my ass N.Y ranks best in all of football with the fewest amount of team penalties committed since Bowles became head coach. I've been a critic but he's growing on me these young kids are responding and playing hard.
Mo's playing hurt, hopefully he comes on. The mistakes are part of being a young team, hopefully, especially on the road. Statistically they were much less prone to mistakes and penalties the previous years with the vet team. So really the roster has started to turn over and there's going to be growing pains. But with the youth movement, another draft, and a few FA's it could very well get better, quickly too.
Sorry, LA. We usually agree, but I totally disagree with this. Who are you to say who a Jets fan is? If some fans would rather the Jets lose so they have a better chance of getting a FQB, that doesn't make them a lesser fan or not a fan. The point could fairly be made that anyone who wants the Jets to beat the Pats next Sunday isn't a Jets fan. They could say that any fan who would put his personal hatred of the Pats and/or Belichick and Brady over what's best for the Jets in the long run isn't a real fan or a good fan. Posters need to stop saying or thinking shit like that. We all want what's best for the Jets, we just have differing perspectives on what is best for the team.
The team is playing hard. There's no disputing that Bowles deserves some credit for that, but that's also the nature of many young players. They are hungry, want to make names for themselves and secure their future. I haven't seen anyone do it yet, but Mac also deserves kudos. He drafted and signed young FAs who had high character, who desire to be the best they can and to win, and who work hard and play hard. Young players make mistakes. Their play is inconsistent, they commit dumb penalties. That doesn't mean that one just accepts it, but it is part of the nature of the beast, and one has to be patient while one continues to work hard to teach/train them and correct those mistakes.
Agree to totally disagree with that. IMO, Intentionally loosing to the Pats does not guarantee anything but a team full of quitters. That is not what any winner wants. Teams with heart do not play to loose. Fans root for their team to win not to get a high draft choice. A high draft choice guarantees nothing.
You're arguing against something that no one is advocating. Nobody is saying that the team should intentionally lose. That wouldn't or shouldn't happen. If a GM or HC ordered something like that, it would be all over social media and the news media within hours. That's the last thing one would order a team with a number of great young prospects. They'd all want to be traded and would sabotage any efforts to intentionally lose, as they should. What some fans are hoping for is that the team will play hard, do well, but still lose due to the lack of experience, the talent differential, and the holes that we still have on our roster. Lots of young, developing teams play hard, have talent, but lose because they are learning how to play, what it takes to win, are inexperienced, are building chemistry, developing, and make mistakes.
I'm not one of those guys. Read my previous posts about Bowles. I've always taken a middle ground on him, and unlike the serial optimists and pessimists I don't disappear when the Jets aren't playing the way I expect.
I Know you posted this exact thing a couple of days ago but we have not been ranked first in penalties at all since Bowles has been here. We we're good, 4th and 5th his first 2 years , however we came into today ranked 22nd. The majority of the criticism of Bowles lack of discipline came from his handling of the Marshall,Decker,Mangold campaign for Fitz and the off field shit. Sheldon showing up late for a work out ,Mo repeatedly showing up late for meetings and missing a walk thru. Marshall running his mouth to the media. It's good to see the team playing hard but the young guys played hard last year too, unfortunately the Vets had quit and poisoned the locker room. That was also on Bowles.
