Give the guy a break...he worked hard, hit enough homers to pass Aaron and Ruth and older people are just pissed off because they didn't think they'd see another person hit that many HRs in their lifetime. Bonds, even if he did use steroids, is still the greatest home run hitter of all-time and no one can take that away from him. You can put all of the asterisks you want next to his records and complain that he is "wearing armor" but he still hit more homers than Aaron and he will stay on top until someone passes him. People are just digging up useless information to use against him...I'm sure if this "armor" was illegal Major League Baseball wouldn't allow him to wear it. Just give it a rest please...The All-Time Home Run Record is Barry Bonds' until he is passed.
His 757 HRs really suck don't they? They have never proved that he's done steroids...they only have allegations against him. Why don't you go visit BALCO and see if you can hit 757 HRs after they give you a little "extra help"? I bet you couldn't hit it out of the infield or even hit the ball at all. Bonds' great hand/eye coordination combined with his athleticism are the reasons why he is on top. Keep telling yourself that he sucks and I'll keep telling you that you suck a whole lot more.
So you're conceding that he's one of those who took steroids. that's enough for me to think someone sucks.
:steelers: Not true. He admitted doing steroids in his grand jury testimony. He alleges, however, that he thought it was "flaxseed oil."
I haven't read this whole thread and honestly don't care to, but I wanted to post my quick thoughts on Bonds breaking the record. Regardless of what he did or didn't do, he outperformed EVERYONE he played against for the last 20 years. EVERYONE he played against had access to the same things he did whether they chose to take advantage of them or not. Where are all the other guys with 757 HR's? The man outplayed EVERYONE (offensively) BY FAR. Congrats to Barry on an outstanding accomplishment. A point from ESPN radio: People call this the steroid era, but when BABE RUTH played, remember he didn't play against any minority players. How many guys that didn't play MLB back then could have been as good or better than him? We'll never know. The point is that the best players should be remembered for what they did on the field regardless of what circumstances surrounded their careers. I agree with this 100%
He admitted to using The Clear...which is a liquid you put under your tongue to help your muscles recover after working out. That isn't really a steroid in my opinion, he wanted to lift weights everyday and his aging body couldn't keep up with his workout regime, so he used muscle recovery. Many people that have gym memberships use muscle recovery creams. I'm kind of with Gary Sheffield - "Steroids are something you shoot in your butt." But a lot of pills are cheap ways to better your performance. He doesn't "suck"...when he was younger he was a great outfielder and a great base runner. Derek Jeter in my opinion sucks. He never puts up numbers and his best defensive days are over. He's only "good" because he's the face of a douche bag franchise that spits out millions and millions of dollars to not make it to the World Series every season.
Take a look at the cliff notes for Game of Shadows. Does of that circumstantial evidence go by the wayside? As for your second comment, 99% of major leaguers wish they sucked as much as Jeter does.
Correction: 99% of major leaguers wish they had the fan base that Derek Jeter has...and about 99% of MLB's short stops could do they exact same thing Jeter is doing for that team right now.
Straight from Wikipedia - Game of Shadows is a book published on March 23, 2006 and was written by Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, reporters for the San Francisco Chronicle. When Sports Illustrated released excerpts from the book on March 7, it generated considerable publicity because the book chronicles alleged extensive use of performance-enhancing drugs, including several different types of steroids and growth hormones, by San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds. Keyword: Alleged - to assert WITHOUT PROOF. Those two jerks dug up a bunch of dirt on Bonds' and none of if has been proven, and until it is proven I don't care what anyone has to say about Bonds' using performence enhancers.
:lol: I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond, or how you measure players, but someone has to stand up to your bullshit. Jeter has the highest OBP, most hits, and in the top 5 in an assortment of other categories. I'm sorry, you were saying?
No one is trying to convince you otherwise. Alleged can mean a lot of things. I can allege my neighbor of beating up Mr. Smith. What they alleged is based on documents and first hand interviews, not arm-chair conclusions. From the treasured wikipedia page that you cited: Sure, let's ignore that, and the fact that Bonds has dropped his lawsuit against them, and let's ignore the other traditional methods of smelling out steroid users (unusual production, body type transition, heads the size of space objects).
and the Yankees are winning? No. They could sign any bum in the bigs to play short stop for them and they would still be garbage...and it's sad that that much money can't buy wins. Derek Jeter does nothing for that team. They aren't even a team anymore, they just all play for themselves. I'm sorry, you were saying?
I'm still waiting for you to explain how almost all of the shortstops in the league are better than Jeter. Is Khalil Greene going to help the Yankees win more games? How about Omar Vizquel and Julio Lugo? I can't really dispute the part about the yankees not playing like a team. But you should be aware that they have the best record in the majors in the past month, and are a game back in the wild card. I wasn't aware of their losing tendencies of late.
I do believe that Bonds juiced up, but he didn't really start getting big until 98-99. And before that, he was definitley on pace to hit a lot of homers and finish with a lot of steals so why do it? He was going to be a hall of famer regardless. My hate for Bonds is really more the fact that he's the biggest asshole in the game and I really don't care what his teammates now say. Of course he's a nice guy now because he's on top of the world. He's an arrogant man and I hate people who are like that. I used to like Sheffield before he opened his mouth too.
I didn't say that almost all of the short stops in the league are better than him, I said that they could do they same thing that he is doing for them. If they replaced him right now, no one would be able to tell the difference. Except for all of the bandwagon fans that hope on the Yank wagon once they spend 200 million bucks in the off-season. They ALL looove Derek Jeter for some unknown reason, so he's hitting the ball well this year...big deal, alot of guys are doing that. (i'm not saying all Yankee fans are bandwagon fans, but the majority of their fans like them because they are always a contender) I just think that Jeter's mediocre at best days are behind him, and he gets meat pitches thrown at him because no one is ever on base when he's up.
