a jets draft that makes sense

this.doesnt.make.that.much.sense.

Macho Harris can't man up - I like the guy, but he doesn't fit our scheme.

If Tyson Jackson is the pick, my head will explode. It's Scott Wright's current prediction and Scott Wright sucks.

The only pick I like is the E-Cook pick.

That's too high for Mauga and Jennings - I think we only have one fourth round pick...

We'll pick up an extra third for the Vilma trade.

The thing that confuses me is that you talk about bringing in players to fix the lack of pass rush...but you don't draft anyone that is going to provide any help. I don't see anyone in this mock that helps out our pass rush.

Mauga is clearly a two down linebacker - he's only good at stopping the run...awful in pass coverage. Tyson Jackson is good against the run, but we already have a guy that does that in Kenyon Coleman.

 

Tyson Jackson sucks as a first round pick. Boo sir. He's done nothing to warrant the talk of him being a mid to late first round pick.

 

Tyson Jackson is Kenyon Coleman part 2. Good as a run stuffer but not a pass rushing threat. Not a great pick in round one and fixes none of our problems.

We do not have 2 4th rounders. One goes to the saints as part of the Vilma deal.

 

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Why do people assume Tyson Jackson is a pass rusher? He's not at all an edge rusher. Tyson Jackson is a solid all-round 3-4 DE, that will give you at most 5/6 sacks a year. Plays the runs fairly well. Jackson is a jack-of-all trades...master of none. Not worthy of the 17th pick.

Macho man is a zone scheme CB and probaly won't fit into Rex Ryan's defense. While I like Robiskie, I think he's going to be a reach in mid -round 3........lackluster Senior campaign, due to Terrell Pryor...and doessn't have breakaway speed. There are at least 7 Wr's I have rated higher than Robiskie. We don't need another fullback....T.R.and Caulcrick are on the roster.

I don't usually bad-mouth mocks, but this one needs to be revised.

 

I actually had us taking Tyson Jackson in my mock about three or four weeks ago, but from what I've been reading there are some question marks about him that could drop him a bit.

And in the 3-4 defense, the OLBs provide pass rush, the DEs are there to hold their ground and play the run more than anything else.

Harris is a good prospect, but he's meant for a zone scheme. He's ineffective in man coverage, which is what we have.

Mauga wouldn't be a bad pickup, but we need a LB that can function in coverage as well, and from what I've read that's not him...

Eh, not the biggest fan of this mock but I've seen worse.

 

Jennings will go before the Jets pick in the fourth round. Especially after he runs an even/sub 4.5 at the combine.

 

Not bad considering the information available so far. I'd put a rb in there somewhere.

 

This is true to a point, but 3-4 End still need to be able to help in the pass rush. Thats why players like richard Seymour are such a valueable cog on a defense. They still need to be able to help collapse a pocket and provide pressure. Its not as if that side of thier job totaly disapears ion the 3-4. Its just not expect that they put up similar numbers to a 4-3 end.


Tyson Jackson is not seen as a game changer of a 3-4 DE, but as a stout run stuffer. Not exactly the type of guy you take in the first. We already have Kenyon Coleman that is the exact same type of player. I'd much rather that pick be spent on a DB or ILB then a clone of our worst starting D-lineman.

 

I don't like any mock that has us taking Jackson in the 1st, he is not going to BPA & I want no part of him. These type of mocks are especially difficult to judge because we don't know who else is available in your mind. Either way I hate the Jackson pick.

 

Yeah that draft is not good, Harris is not a good man coverage guy. I cant see cook or Velazquez falling that far

 

Tyson Jackson may or may not be worthy of the 17th pick but not for the reasons you cited.

First of all most 3-4 ends are not edge rushers; they are usually college DTs. Jackson is rare in that he is a college end with enough speed to play end in the 4-3 and size to play end in the 3-4.

Second edge rushers with 3-4 end size do not make it past the top 10 picks if not top 5.

Third "jack-of-all trades...master of none" is what is often said about Shaun Ellis, who coincidentally Jackson reminds me a lot of and who was drafted 12th overall in his draft.

Last in our present NFL potential 3-4 front 7 players, mainly OLBs and DEs, tend to go higher than they should. It's supply and demand; more teams are now running this defense but the number of players that fit the scheme hasn't changed much.

 

First, some posters on this site believe Tyson Jackson is going to be a good pass rusher....something I'm trying to dispel.


Sorry to disagree......Ellis was a much better player than TJ, coming out of UT in 2000. Ellis showed more as a steady passer rusher in College than Jackson. I was never impressed with Jackson's body of work at LSU. Ellis had 9 sacks his 1st year with the Jets,.... position and coaching changes slowed Ellis' production, but has been a steady player that has shown better than average pass rushing skills when asked to play 3-4 DE later in his career.

I never considered Ellis a "Jack -of-all trades, master of none"......it's a shame you under-estimate Shawn's career.

I still stand by my feelings...Tyson Jackson has nothing special going for him..... weak pass rusher, and average skills at DE to be worthy of a Mid 1st rd pick. At best he's a late rd 1.....to early rd 2 selection......he fits into a 3-4 DE mold cause of his size.

 

Robiskie has average size and speed, we have too many receivers like that right now. Same thing with Derrick Williams, if his name ever comes up, I like him but not for this team. With Coles, Cotchery and Stuckey the Jets have enough WRs who are small to average in size and more quick than fast. Three is enough.

edit: okay Robiskie has some size on him, but he still reminds me too much of players we already have.

 

Robiskie is about 6'2", which is better than average size....agree his wheels are nothing special. Robiskie's smarts, route running and hands is what separates him from other receivers, looks like a Rd 3 player.

 

so much for "a jets draft that makes sense."
It's tough to speculate right now b/c we don't know if we get a Ravens ILB. If we do, that will change everything. If we don't, the pick might be the OSU ILB or Rey from USC (if he slips a handful of picks).

 

Name: Shaun Ellis
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 285 lbs
College Career Sacks: 12.5
Season High Sacks/Year: 8.5/Senior Year
College Career Tackles: 105

Name: Tyson Jackson
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 290 lbs
College Career Sacks: 14
Season High Sacks/Year: 8.5/Sophmore Year
College Career Tackles: 86

 

If we draft Tyson Jackson I will put a cue tip in my ear and answer a phone.

 

Hahahaha. I'd be fine with drafting Tyson Jackson as long as we massively traded down before it happened.