6 games in and Mangini's done the job so far

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I haven't agreed with all of Mangini's moves but this Jets team has more life than anything we've seen since 2000.

    Give the Jets a real nose tackle (and why exactly is Rashad Moore not starting?) and we'd be 4-2 and looking at a potential 10-6 playoff season.

    Give Washington 15-20 carries a game and we might be 5-1.

    Not that I think we're anything but a rebuilding team at this point, but we've got a lot of life for a write-off. :)
     
  2. JoeWalton

    JoeWalton Well-Known Member

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    The best call he made all day was the 4th and 1 Field Goal early in the 3rd Quarter - it was the difference in the game. You gotta believe he was thinking about the 4th and 2 Indy call when he went for it a couple of weeks ago and ended up losing by that FG. He's a quick learner.
     
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    I doubt that he was thinking that at all, or that it has made a difference in his decision making. I think folks that don't see the importance of us playing aggressively against the Colts just feel better about him kicking a field goal today. We were playing the Dolphins. Not exactly a juggernaut on offense. Field goal was the right choice in this case.
     
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    I agree, it was a different situation and I don't think he was thinking about what happened vs Indy.
     
  5. RobA

    RobA 2005-2007 TGG.com Most Optimistic Award Winner

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    Who said we aren't lookin at a potential playoff birth with the way things are now?
    Detriot - Win
    @Cleveland - Win
    -----Bye-----
    @NE - Win/Loss
    Chicago - Loss
    Houston - Win
    @GB - Win
    Buffalo - Win
    @Minn - Win/Loss
    @Dolphins - Win
    Oakland - Win

    So that's anywhere from 10-6 to 12-4. Jets will make the playoffs, our schedule is too easy for us not to. Personally, I think we go 11-5. Winning all the "easy" games and getting one upset (out of @NE, Chi, and @Minn).
     
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    NE and JAX ran us out of the building.. NE for 2 1/2 quarters.. JAX for 4. We don't win no matter who is running either of those games.
     
  7. Jetzz

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    I still think 9 wins is a reach. Only 8 would make me happy, but I would even suffer only 7. If they win more than 9, I will believe in the easter bunny, santa claus and the tooth fairy.

    :smile:
     
  8. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    i agree: why isn't Moore starting and why isn't Washington starting?

    Washington doesn't seem like the type of player who needs to "ease" into the game; nor is Barlow a big bruiser where bringing Washington in is a significant change of pace for the opposing D. just start Washington (and Moore on D) because, right now, he's a better runner behind this OL than Barlow.



    cheers
     
  9. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    They will have to get to 5-3 and I feel they will.
    Note: I am 6-0 picking Jets games straight up and against the spread, so I have a great read on this team thus far.

    After that we will not see a win for three weeks (I'm including the bye week as one of those three weeks).

    They could be able to get to 7-6. Then they close in a dome, in a warm weather site, and against the Raiders. 9-7 is possible but it probably won't be enough for a playoff spot.
     
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  10. Br4d

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    We had the ball and a 7 point deficit at the end of the game against New England. You better believe that having a slight improvement at NT or RB might well have swung that game.

    The only game that was out of reach was Jacksonville. This team is not able to compete with the really physical big teams yet and Jacksonville is one of the biggest.
     
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    I do not think it is his fault, but the coaching staff is at fault here. We have poor run blocking and no ability to get pressure on the QB, even when we blitz. At least today we ran the 4-3 mostly, but Brown still got over 100 yards. Our blitzes suck and never work.....and to be honest, our D didn't do shit in the first half, it was just Miami's Offense playing bad.

    Look at a team like New Orleans....their success is totally improbably. Their talent, in my opinion, is not that much better than ours (except at RB). They don't have any real big name superstars on their lines, but they are ebating good team. Why is that? Coaching, schemes, and gameplanning. We are lacking it in New York. Miami and Tennessee, and Buffalo all got back into the game and gave us a scare in the 4th quarter. This should not happen, not when all 3 games were ones we were winning handily.


    Today the 4th quarter was etrocious by the whole team....not a good win at all....granted, the Jets are exceeding expectations thus far.
     
  12. Br4d

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    I see 6 wins and a possible 7th but no more than that. Still that would be 9-7 in a rebuilding year and we'd just have to hope it didn't turn south for us the following year like it did for Buffalo 2005 and Miami in 2006.
     
  13. IIMeanDeanII

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    No big names? Seriously?

    Drew Brees
    Jay Bellamy
    Josh Bullocks
    Reggie Bush
    Marques Colston
    Joe Horn
    Deuce McAllister
    Mike McKenzie
    Will Smith
    Roman Harper

    Those are all Elite/Great players, IMO. I really like N.O., but I think it is mainly impart to that feel good story they got going on. They deserve everything they are achieving, and I dont think it is ALL because of emotion. There is a lot of skill there.

    I want to beat the Bears. Man that would feel so good. I think we can beat any, and every team we play. Any given Sunday! Mangini is an amazing gameplanning coach. You cant ever count us out with a guy like him at the wheel.
     
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    I don't see how any of those issues are coaching issues.
     
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    Its a definite possibility, however, I think that this team is still a good 5 players(NT, CB, RB, RT, DE) ... from being a GOOD team and at least 1 to 2 more years in this system to being an upper echelon team. But WE ARE moving in the RIGHT direction!
     
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    totally, .500 after week 6, i didn't expect it

    our problems are pretty obvious, i don't think they'll go unfixed through the rest of the year or the beginning of next year, unfortunately some of them need to be fixed by personel.
     
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    Well, I don't see how @NE fits the Win/Loss category when they pretty much dominated us at home with the exception of 2 or 3 plays.

    And even though there are a lot of winnable games on the schedule, you still have to go out and do it. We won today's game, but we very easily could have lost it at the end.

    I don't think we are very good, but I think we have a shot at the playoffs because of how easy the schedule is. But that's just it, a shot, not a guarantee.
     
  18. ATL-JET

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    I agree with this assessment. I said it last week, we beat the teams we should and lose to the teams we should. As much as I liked Herm and I was one of his bigger supporters, we would have crumbled and lost several of these games.
     
  19. Jets81

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    Do you really believe we can win 12 games with this defense? This team plays 2 quarters of football per game. Find every team on the rest of the schedule that shows up for 3+ and I'll find you more then one loss for the rest of the season.

    We havent had a convincing win all season, and the teams we've beaten are a combined 4-14. Sure, these are teams that we should beat, and it puts us *just* above being in that same category...but the records you're talking can and often do win division titles.

    We can't stop the run and our 'prevent' defense is remeniscent of the bend but not break days that are all to easy to recall. It was just enough today, but teams like the Bears, Pats, and even the Vikes would probably make us pay. Sweeping the Bills and the Phins as well? Not only is that the farthest thing from a rebuilding year as possible, it's a special year. A VERY special year.

    I would love nothing more then for you to be right, but man thats one hell of a stretch.
     
  20. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    They sure worked in Buffalo.

    New Orleans has had talent for years now. They underachieved big time for four seasons and then really had no chance last season due to Hurricane Katrina and having to play home games in New Jersey, San Antonio, and Baton Rouge.

    The problems were Jim Haslett and Aaron Brooks. Both were good in 2000 when the Saints made the playoffs and beat the Rams. From 2001-05 those two were mostly bad, although Brooks had good statistics in 2003. I couldn't believe how long it took for the Saints to can Haslett.

    A new head coach, a new quarterback, a home once again, and Reggie Bush can do wonders.

    The Saints have a more experienced line than the Jets. They know how to run block and protect the quarterback better than the Jets line does at this point. Also, the Saints defense does a better job of tackling.
    I wrote it here last night. All football theory comes down to blocking and tackling. The team that does the better job of that usually wins the game.
    The Saints are doing a better job of blocking and tackling and they are two games better than the Jets.

    I never expected a 5-1 start, though. They will be difficult to beat in Louisiana this season. As far as them qualifying for postseason play, I am not sure. Their schedule gets difficult from here on out (BAL, at TB, at PIT, CIN, at ATL, SF, at DAL, WAS, at NYG, CAR).


    Any win is a good win. Maybe an exception could be made if the win came in a game where a key player suffered a major injury. That didn't happen today, so this was a good win.
     

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