4 DL Prospects for the 6th pick or moving up

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  1. inSANITy

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    Chris Baker - DE/NT
    Height: 6'2"
    Weight: 326
    College: Hampton

    Combine Results:
    40 Yard Dash : 5.12 seconds
    Bench Press : 24.0 reps
    Vertical Jump : 35.5 inches
    Broad Jump : 106.0 inches
    3 Cone Drill : 7.56 seconds
    20 Yard Shuttle : 4.51 seconds

    Positives: Adequate build in the upper and lower body. ... Good quickness off the snap. ... Gets his hands into his man's jersey quickly, attacks a shoulder and constantly works to the quarterback. ... Can also extend his arms inside the numbers to get leverage and push into the backfield. ... Also able to stand up his man on run plays, use his upper-body strength to move him to either side and make a play on the ball. ... Uses arm-over move and violent hands to shoot the gap inside. ... Will split double-team blocks to pressure the passer. ... At end, he held his ground against the run and used his strength, hands and quickness to get by offensive tackles one-on-one. ... Shows fairly quick feet, can stay off cut blocks, chase down the line and hustle downfield to get to the ball. ... Doesn't back down from anyone.

    Negatives: Could work harder against double teams inside and too often stands around after initial contact. ... Must improve his awareness on misdirections and screens. ... Stamina is an issue, will be best as part of a rotation. ... Showed potential in Happy Valley, but his redshirt junior season production came against a lower level of competition at a position he might not play in the NFL. ... Character issues abound based on his record at Penn State.

    Before playing at Hampton Baker played NT and DE at Penn State. He left Penn State for off the field issues. Yes we don't want guys who have off the field issues but everyone deserves another chance and this is also the 6th round.


    Ra'shon Harris- DE/NT
    Height: 6'4"
    Weight: 298
    College: Oregon

    Combine Results:
    40 Yard Dash : 5.05 seconds
    Bench Press : 28.0 reps
    Vertical Jump : 25.5 inches
    Broad Jump : 106.0 inches
    3 Cone Drill : 8.18 seconds
    20 Yard Shuttle : 4.87 seconds

    Analysis

    Positives: Tall with good build and length inside. ... Fair straight-ahead speed when closing on the ball. ... Stands up his man and falls off to wrap up backs coming through the hole. ... Anchors well to hold up double-team blocks. ... Gets great push to collapse the pocket in passing situations, keeps his arms extended and legs churning. ... Threat to impact passing lanes and block field goals using his push, height and length. ... Big in the weight room.

    Negatives: One-year starter. ... A bit soft in the middle. ... Offensive linemen use his height to their advantage, cutting him down like a tree although he is adequate recovering. ... Slow off the snap and takes time to get his body going forward. ... Plays with his head down at times, minimizing his awareness. ... Needs a stronger punch. ... Inconsistent in his push and hustle. ... Does not change direction quickly, will get ridden out of plays too easily. ... Inconsistent shedding blocks inside even if much bigger than his opponent. ... Stamina and work ethic are issues. ... Missed first half of the 2006 season with a torn triceps muscle.

    Harris is very Raw only really having 1 full year as a starter, but he has the massive size, strength and double team blocking skills needed for this defense.


    Sammie Lee Hill- DE/NT
    Height: 6'4"
    Weight: 329
    College: Stillman

    Combine Results:
    40 Yard Dash : 5.17 seconds
    Bench Press : 27.0 reps
    Vertical Jump : 28.0 inches
    Broad Jump : 109.0 inches
    3 Cone Drill : 7.89 seconds

    Positives: Tall with muscular overall build and long arms. ... Displays excellent agility and quickness for his size. ... Uses a punch and good hand play to discard offensive tackles at the line of scrimmage. ... Swats chipping running backs away like flies on the outside. ... Good closing speed and has the length to wrap up in the backfield. ... Flashes the initial quickness inside. ... Bull rushes his man into the pocket when one-on-one inside. ... Breaks down on the edge and changes direction well for his size. ... Could project as a 3-4 defensive end.

    Negatives: Looks like a man among boys against lower level competition, especially when lined up on the edge, but must prove he can handle the next level physically. ... Fails to consistently get off double teams when inside. ... Must work on lowering his pad level so he's not stood up to lose the leverage battle against NFL offensive linemen and be susceptible to cut blocks. ... Doesn't chase or hustle consistently.

    Compares To: SHAUN ROGERS, Cleveland -- Hill has the potential to be much more consistent than Rogers, but will just need time to adjust to NFL life from the low level of competition he played in. Hill flashes a burst to finish and shows effectiveness stopping the running game as a three-tech defender. He has a very strong anchor vs. the run and uses his hands well to cross over the offensive lineman's face to make the play. He generates excellent leverage to stack at the point of attack. He has the quick, strong and active hands to split double teams and his long arms allow him to consistently push the pocket.

    Hill is regarded by many to be the premier small college prospect at his position. The four-year starter lined up at left defensive end as a junior and senior, but with explosive burst penetrating the gaps and wide frame, many teams feel that he is better suited to play inside at tackle at the next level, his original college position. His ability to shut down the running game saw him produce 44.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage during his career, setting the school career record.

    Hill is much more than your typical defensive lineman, though. He served as a tight end in goal-line blocking situations, where he scored on a 16-yard reception and also on a two-point conversion. He competed as an up-back and wedge buster on special teams, as the 330-pounder was seen rumbling with his first kickoff return as a senior. He also got to drop back in coverage as a giant middle linebacker, racing 38 yards into the end zone for a touchdown with an interception as a junior.

    At West Blockton High School, Hill was an All-Conference and All-Area gridiron selection. He competed on both lines, in addition to seeing time at tight end and linebacker. He saw playing time as a place-kicker. In addition to his football exploits, he also excelled on the basketball court, where he actually got more attention from those recruiters than in football.


    This kid seems like he can be a huge sleeper. He played basketball in High School a little tight end in college. And is massive, wouldnt mind picking up a Shaun Rogers prospect in the 6th round.

    And last but not least my favorite..... Don't bash this before you read my reasonings

    Ricky Jean-Francois
    Height: 6'3"
    Weight: 295
    College: LSU

    Analysis

    Positives: Tall, but can still use leverage to bull rush his man into the pocket. ... Violent with his hands, able to rip off blocks inside to make plays on the ball. ... Impressive in his ability to stand his man up and discard him to either side. ... Rarely gets moved when facing a one-on-one block. ... Moves fluidly down the line, able to eat up a wide running lane with his length. ... Recognizes the screen. ... Imposing figure when closing, will work toward the quarterback if he's in sight. ... Impacts passing lanes and can block kicks using his height and reach.

    Negatives: A bit lean for some NFL defensive coordinators, but not considerably light. ... High pad level allows double-team blocks to sweep him aside. ... Inconsistent initial quickness off the snap and he guesses the snap count at times. ... Could hustle and chase the ball more often. ... Not quick enough to keep off a cut block, but recovers well. ... Does not consistently play to his timed speed, lumbering in space and lacking elite stop-start quickness.

    Compares To: JON BRADLEY, Detroit -- Jean-Francois has exceptional playing strength, but has failed to live up to his lofty press clippings. He has had academic issues, off-field problems and an overall inconsistent performance on the field. He can easily shed blocks and power through the line, but lacks focus. He runs his mouth more than Warren Sapp, but with 56 tackles in 25 games, it is obvious he can't back up his bold comments. Unless someone feels that they have patient veterans to mentor him, it is doubtful that he will live up to his own opinion of himself.

    ^^^^ I feel like we have that. With Jenkins and Ellis being proven Vets and Rex Ryan's mentality I think we can groom this kid into a machine.

    "Nobody can replace Glenn Dorsey," defensive end Tyson Jackson said before the 2008 season, "but a guy like Ricky Jean can come in and be the man."

    Yes this guy has off the field issues and hasn't lived up to his potential, but if anyone can do it its Rex. This kid is a Rex Ryan football player. He has a meanstreak and wants to kill every guy he goes against.

    Why not take a chance on a first day talent in the 6th round.
     
  2. sanchizeqb

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    I would love to get Ricky Jean Francois.
     
  3. WW85

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    I'm projecting Pannel Egboh......in rd 6......very good 5 technique DE. Would be a good rotational guy.
     
  4. Nesquik

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    theres no point in targeting anyone specific, if we dont plan on trading future picks just pick the best player available and then sign some udfa's
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    I have a feeling we're going to load up on UDFA's...at least 5 will make the team.
     
  6. MarionBarber31

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    Sammie Lee sounds like my kinda player. You never can tell with small-school guys--but you never can tell with most draft picks anyway. At least he dominated at the level he played at. Domination is good.

    Any chance he's there in the 6th though?
     
  7. inSANITy

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    matt slauson?
     

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