Sadly. This is the year to trade out of two if that means another first next year. Mougey should know this. Needs to be an attractive job next year for the HC. He’s earned enough goodwill from me as a Gm to stay on and build d
I think Moore is a perfectly good 1st round QB prospect that SHOULDN'T see the field in year one. Unfortunately, his timeline does not mesh well at all with Glenn's timeline as he needs to win next season otherwise, he is gone. Now, I think the issue that a lot of us are going to have is that we will likely compare Moore to the '27 QB prospects, which it seems will be more highly rated coming into that draft cycle.
If we're all of the belief that we need to keep drafting QB's every year until we get it right then draft Chambliss in the first round at 16. He stepped up when the lights were brightest. He looks like much more of a polished product than most others. Got some Drew Brees to his game.
Trading out would be my first choice to stockpile more picks for the new coach in 27 but there really isn't a clear cut guy to trade up for.
Miami has a good one, actually the brother of current Jets linebacker. But they are saying he’s a tweener and more of a guard in the nfl thus not likely to be top 5. But they did say the same about Campbell for the Pats last year
But we beat both Ohio teams and the Falcons so there's that. Mendoza was staring us in the fucking face and here we are.
I have seen Moore a couple of times. I dont think he is worth the #2 pick. He has the arm, but the mobility is mediocre and the field vision does not appear to be elite. I doubt anybody will be infatuated enough with Moore to offer a bundle for the #2 pick. I would probably take him at 16 if he fell that far as I think there is a good chance that he will fall, but maybe not that far. I have also seen Beck a couple of times and he has impressed me. I would like to see how he does in the championship game before making a decision on him. If he looks good, maybe take him at 16. Also not that impressed with Simpson. Maybe in round 2 if he is there. No real opinion on chambliss.
This is a good summary of how I saw the game as well…yes raw arm talent and some throws were zipped into tight places for sure. But man he looked way over his depth in this game…it was too big for him…the pick six on the first play was brutal. The fumble when he hit the RB in his throwing motion…ugh…not really sure if that’s his fault or the RB’s fault, but it just showed a lack of awareness or pocket presence to me…yes could happen to anyone I guess and hard to just pin it on him, but man, if that wasn’t a Jetsian play to turn over the ball on your won 5 yard line after your D made a great stop then I don’t know what is. He’s not ready. Maybe if we were a team like the Rams or Vikings or Packers, teams that have real NFL offensive coaches and know how to develop a QB you take him and sit him a year…but the Jets? No fucking way. We will be calling him Zach Wilson all over again. Remember, he had arm talent also. Just nothing else and especially in the intangibles. This kid looks like he has some raw talent…I’ll just remind us all that we have NEVER … right, say that agan … NEVER developed a QB. And sure as fucking shit, I do NOT think AG and his staff is the guy to do it. I saw a kid with some raw arm talent fold under the pressure … NFL defenses will be way bigger and faster and stronger and more confusing than what he faced yesterday, when he showed he is not yet there…he needs another year of school. If he’s smart, he’d go back to Oregon…if he declares, I hope we are smart enough to pass on him…trade out of 2 to a team that wants him, go build the roster, sign a vet or hopefully trade for a guy like Davis Mills, and draft a QB, hopefully with a new HC, next year. That would be my plan. Things will change after all the combine and shit, but man we’d be stupid not to remember this game and how he looked in the moment.
Maybe the Rams will trade up with us, they can sit him for a year or two and this is the only time they will pick this high. They also don't give af about 1st round picks, could potentially get a first in 27 and a second this year, possibly more, that's a big move.
Yeah, and the board/fandom will be ablaze for the next 3 years to 10 because of passing on a talent like Bain etc... These men are PROFESSIONALS!! Either get it right or don't do it. IMO...Moore is a project and I've YET to see a single poster on this board refute that. Couple that with the history of the Jets bringing along a raw QB AND the very obvious lack of any real coaching on the team and you can basically draft Moore and throw him in the trash. The odds are so horrible that anyone with similar odds isn't gambling, stock market etc. The hilarity of our arguments is Moore's camp sees and knows this too. See my opinion on him going BACK to school. I'm TELLING all of you, if you have even a 40% feeling of "Eh, this QB isn't going to amount to anything, ON THE JETS, then you don't draft him. Seriously, why would you do that to the team AND to HIM? JSMH The Jets need to draft a QB as Pro ready as they can possibly get. If that means taking one of the "lesser talented" QB's a little further down in the draft, then you do it. I don't care about the odds of "1st round drafted QB's over others" argument either. There are TONS of serviceable QB's, throughout history, that came in the 2nd through end of the draft. I mean, seriously, the two QB's considered the GOATS were BOTH drafted in the 3rd round and later. The ONLY reason this whole QB in the 1st round thing has legs is because it's EASY! "Oh, well, they drafted him in the 1st round, of COURSE he's good or whatever." To be frank, I'm FAR more interested in the kids who people are calling "gamers." Joe Montana, Tom Brady...both these guys, drafted in the 3rd and 6th round respectively were considered "gamers." Meaning their actual play on the field transcended their supposed lack of skill sets. @Jonathan_Vilma , who are the kids you have been calling gamers this draft season? Mateer is one, the kid from Tulane is another I think. Draft a kid, at 2, we KNOW is going to absolutely wreck teams, like Bain (yes, upon hearing you folks talk about him I started doing my research), and pick up a gamer with the next 1st round pick or 2nd. IF that kid isn't worth a crap then you go into 2027 and pick a guy at the top of the draft. What I CAN tell you, 5 years from now, it will be more likely we are talking about a kid, like Bain, as a future HoF'er and BOTH Mendoza and Moore (if he comes out) will be, more than likely, looking at their 2nd team and/or most definitely looking at the 2nd head coach. I've been giving this a ton of thought and I've amended my whole must draft a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Andrew Luck kind of guy. It's too hard and the current College game has begun to render these types of men much harder to find, gauge and draft. As if it was ever easy but... That and, usually, you are battling 10 or 15 other teams for that one. Having said that, can we get a gamer, a guy with average to good skills and BUILD a solid team around him. Far easier... The 49'ers are a GREAT example. Purdy certainly isn't a world beater, definitely a gamer but his "elite" talent is his brain. Everywhere else he's really only average. We don't NEED a guy to be able to throw a frozen rope in 100 mph wind. We NEED a guy that can read a defense, work through 3 progressions and make the right decision. May not have elite arm strength, size, speed, whatever...but we'll win more with that kind of kid. From what I saw, yesterday, Moore is DEFINITELY not that kid. For those who are saying he needs to come out now, for money, don't care about him, the man. The whole world isn't about money. Yeah, he could make more coming out now in the NFL but, you know what, he's not poor and, if he stays in school 2 things happen for him, he will STILL be a multi-millionaire AND he'll get closer to the degree he'll need when football ends for him. Just sayin'...
Mateer was the only one I think you’re talking about. The rest went back to school or are 4th-5th round flyers at best. Sawyer Robertson from Baylor, Taylen Green from Arkansas, etc. All one-read air raid QBs though.
Just being honest here, you now are borderline looking like you are on Moore's promotional payroll. NOTHING I saw, last night, says #2 pick in the draft. I have now firmly moved to Bain at 2, a guy like Mateer or someone at our Indy pick or even later. Way too much need on this team to make that kind of reach. Make no mistake about it, Moore is a massive reach at 2 for a team with a SOLID track record of developing QB's let alone a team that's never done it and is more likely to destroy him as an NFL QB than anything else.
Completely agree that if a team like the Rams take him and he sits for an entire year maybe 2 he could become a very good player. Or if he goes back and gets more live bullets at Oregon that will definitely help too. On the Jets, raiders or Browns he’s basically a dead man walking…
Robertson, that was the other. What about this Beck name I've seen flying around? 2nd round? Again, I've not really looked to terribly much into Mateer (I've done a little), yet, but, operating on a shoe string, I'd say Bain at #2 and Mateer at 16... I think that sets us on a MUCH better path than vastly over reaching for Moore, if he even comes out, at 2. What sayest thou folks? Edit: I haven't gone back and watched any of the Fiesta Bowl, what is the consensus on Bain? What little research I did he looked good. Has that thought been adjusted? Ok, now I need to get off my lazy duff and start researching some other positions groups. Time to adjust who I think should be picked up at #2. BTW, does anyone realistically think we're trading out of the 2 spot? I think they had better be ready to pick a guy because, from my vantage point, there's not one dude worth trading up for and, IMO, that includes Mendoza. Not that the Raiders are trading. You can basically guarantee Mendoza's going to LV as certain as the sun will rise tomorrow.
I can assure you I am not on anyone's payroll, I am just a long suffering Jets fan of 30 years, and I am open to change my mind, like I have number of times as facts present themselves. But was this game against #2 defense in the nation THAT bad in your view that you would throw away the rest of his 13-2 record and the stuff he showed on tape all year? I just don't think it was. I did change my mind some on Moore after this game, where I definitely think Mendoza is 1, and I would not trade up to get Moore, but organically with #2, I would still strongly consider and probably would pull the trigger depending on how the rest of the process goes. If he declares, which I want him to. The evaluation of Moore is not about just last night. Last two games he quite literally faced very top defenses in the country. @Jonathan_Vilma you or anyone else correct me if I am wrong, but at least on points I see they are both top 3 in the nation by a wide margin too. The third one is Ohio st, and even Mendoza was only able to put up 13 points against Ohio st. Anyway, I was not thrilled with Dante's game either, but to me it looked like everyone kept fucking up on Oregon. The defense was simply non existent. Moore had a bad pick 6. RB caused another 7. OL was spotty. It was overall a bad performance by Oregon, but I just do not want to overreact on the overall Oregon blowout performance when it comes specifically to the prospect evaluation.
