2020 US Presidential Race - Trump vs Biden

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  1. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Does the black community really buy into the bullshit Joe Biden is spreading?
    Check his record.
    Check his comments in the past.
    Check his address.

    Joe Biden Has Built a Career on Betraying Black Voters
    BY BRANKO MARCETIC
    Joe Biden’s string of primary victories highlights a central paradox of his career: he has secured the loyalty of African American voters while working nonstop to let them down.


    An underwhelming start for Joe Biden’s campaign in February seemed to mark it as dead in the water. Now he’s back — and it’s in large part thanks to African-American voters.

    After his big South Carolina win on the back of strong black support revived his campaign, Biden solidified his place as the front-runner through a series of wins in Southern states on Super Tuesday, with (mostly older) African Americans in those states backing him in larger numbers.

    Biden has carefully cultivated loyal Democratic voters in the black community, both in this campaign and throughout his decades in Washington. “My entire life I’ve been involved with the black community,” he said during the last debate. “My entire career has been wrapped up in dealing with civil rights and civil liberties.”

    But surveying Biden’s record, one is left with a different impression: that Biden has, in fact, built a career on the back of steadfast African-American support while consistently betraying those same voters.

    Elected as county councilman in 1970, Biden was known as an advocate for public housing, earning him racist abuse from bigoted locals in Delaware. Yet he quickly assured the press about his public housing stance: “I am not a Crusader Rabbit championing the rights of people.”

    True to his word, when plans for a controversial moderate-income housing project came to the New Castle County Council in 1972 — one opposed by a crowd of hundreds who attended the meeting — Biden voted with the rest of the council to table it indefinitely. More accurately, Biden disappeared after a recess, and the vote had to be delayed until he could be found and his vote put on the record. When the county’s housing authority later drew up plans to buy a complex to convert to “non-elderly” public housing, the agency’s outreach to discuss the plan with Biden fell on deaf ears; Biden was too busy campaigning for the Senate.

    weaken civil rights protections. Biden’s failure was compounded four years later with the Clarence Thomas nomination, when, at Republicans’ behest, he did everything humanly possible to undermine Anita Hill’s testimony about the judge’s sexual harassment.

    All the while, Biden lectured Democrats to forget the multiracial coalition that formed the bedrock of their party and move closer to the politics of the suburban South. “You have been where the Democratic Party was, and now the Democratic Party must be where you are,” he told Democrats in North Carolina as he toured with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). At one stop in Alabama, he dropped from his stump speech references to police brutalization of civil rights protesters and his (nonexistent) civil rights activism.

    Key to his argument was that Democrats had “lost the middle class” by becoming beholden to “special interests” and “interest groups,” who “had a stranglehold on us.” But Biden meant something very specific with these innocuous-sounding terms. Even earlier in his career, he had referred to “minorities and other vested interests” and blamed unchecked growth in federal spending on constituent interest groups who wouldn’t give up on programs they benefited from. As he told the NAACP Convention in 1986: “You can’t try to pit the Rainbow Coalition, blacks, Hispanics, poor whites, gays, against the middle class.” For good measure, he pointedly snubbed Jesse Jackson by publicly ruling him out as his running mate. Jackson hit back, griping about unnamed deficit-cutters “combing their hair to the left like Kennedy and moving their policies to the right like Reagan.”

    “It’s about time politicians stop making pro-black speeches before pro-black groups and pro-labor speeches before the labor groups,” Biden once said. “People don’t want to hear what they think you think they want to hear.”

    pushing for war with Iraq (a conflict hugely unpopular with black voters) and suggesting Saddam Hussein was connected to Al-Qaeda, he turned around a month after voting for the war to tell an audience of African-American columnists that it was “the dumbest thing in the world,” and that he didn’t “consider the war on Iraq the war on terror.”

    Then there’s Biden’s infamous 2003 eulogy of segregationist and sexual predator Strom Thurmond, the man with whom Biden had worked to shift the US criminal code in a more punitive, unforgiving direction. Today, Biden’s South Carolina eulogy is viewed as an uncomfortable relic of a less enlightened era; in reality, it was unusual even then. Not only was Biden one of only two Democrats to show up to the funeral (the other, Fritz Hollings, had served with Thurmond for thirty-six years in the state), he was one of a mere seven of 225 living former and sitting senators to do so. Thurmond, who had famously filibustered the 1957 Civil Rights Act into oblivion, was a “brave man” whose “lasting impact” was a “gift to us all,” Biden told attendees.

    That’s not to mention Biden’s long history of taking aim at entitlements like Social Security, a program of enormous importance to African Americans, and which large numbers of black Americans rely on to survive.

    It’s one of those strange ironies of history that Biden, having spent a career betraying African Americans on key, consequential issues, now counts them as the main reason for his electoral viability; and that after insisting to Democrats that the party could only survive by prioritizing conservative white voters in the South over its multiracial base, he has been rescued from oblivion by mostly older black voters in the South. The fact that most of those in South Carolina backed him while telling pollsters that the US economic system needs a “complete overhaul” reveals this irony to be a tragedy.
     
  2. Mogriffjr

    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    In a word, yes.

    Those who aren’t informed about his past just point to him being Obama’s VP, which is good enough for them.

    Others point to him being a democrat.

    the rest simply , he’s not Trump.

    His record is very questionable to those who actually have followed his record.

    Does it really matter at this point to black people? No.
     
  3. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    I think it's fair at this point to hold Biden to Trump's standards. So there's pretty much nothing he can do that could possibly be dumb enough to matter.
     
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  4. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Christ. If are gonna copy and paste an entire article at least provide a link to the wacko blog site.its courtesy
     
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  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Funny. That wacko blog site represents the socialist left.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)

    The editor is a former Bernie staffer. You obviously didn't read the article at all to come to the conclusion you came to. And if you click on the dude's name posted you go right to the article.
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t read the article at all. I don’t have enough time in my day to keep up with Acad’s posts.

    oh and just because the guy likes Bernie doesn’t mean he’s not wacko. Actually it makes it likely
     
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  7. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Terrible article written by a Bernie Bro and a self proclaimed socialist.

    Biden voted against Clarence Thomas confirmation. It was unheard of not to bring a Presidential nomination out of committee to a full vote of the Senate.

    Almost everyone voted for the Iraq war because at the time the resolution was used to enforce inspections. Nobody was voting to go to war without the inspections finding WMD's.

    The reality is Biden support in the black community won him the nomination. These hit pieces are targeted at turnout of black voters and an excuse for the purity test liberals to sit on their hands. Bernie is done.

    Biden is running against Donald Trump. The guy who made his political chops on asking for the death penalty on minor wrongly accused of the horrible Central Park rape. He made his chops going after Obama's citizenship and now trying to smear him in a fake conspiracy. This is a no brainer election for blacks, women and middle class white voters.
     
  8. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives are so concerned with black American's sensibilities except when they are getting shot by the police.
     
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  9. stinkyB

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    I mean... he is the "chosen one" after all....
     
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  10. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I just don't get why you think influencers don't have a strong voice among certain communities. They're just like professional athletes. Their voices are important to us. They're just like nightly opinion hosts. Their voices are important to us and millions see/hear what they think and who they support.

    It's true. But it makes it powerful. 105.1 is a top station because of the hosts. The hosts are fairly wealthy because of it.

    I wasn't saying that an entire community or population will follow blindly. But if that's the station you listen to every morning and the show you listen to, you're going to consider their opinions.

    I used to listen to Boomer & Carton and now Boomer & Gio every morning. Their opinions matter to me before, after and during elections.

    Difference of opinion though. I respect ya, bud.
     
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  11. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    The extreme Bernie bros probably want Trump to win at this point. That way they'll have a better shot at taking over the Democratic party in 2024.
     
  12. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The extreme Bernie Bros is where the Democratic party is moving though. You can argue the same as the Republicans move further and further right.

    Which means most of us in the middle are probably fucked and going to get fucked in some capacity regardless of who starts winning in the 2024, 2028 and so on elections.
     
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  13. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Are they though? Biden wrecked Bernie in a 1 on 1 despite all his warts and the fact that he barely campaigned aside from SC. The Bernie bros have a lot more bark than electoral bite.
     
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  15. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I think so. But you're right to an extent. The middle still exists right now. The thought and attempt at socialized medicine after Obama created the Trump monster we're all watching. I have to believe that the Trump monster will create an AOC style candidate with a lot more juice than Bernie had.

    I'm not defending that as being completely correct. Just how I viewed the outcome of Obama to Trump and then what it will be like afterwards. Bernie's problem was absolutely no plan at all for anything. Just talking points without a way to do it. Elizabeth Warren was a plan-oriented candidate that wanted to implement what Bernie wanted but created the way to do it.

    Look for a younger flashier candidate to combine the two in 2024 for the Democrats.
     
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  16. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Just put me on ignore.

    It would be an honor.
     
  17. JackBower

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    I think its just the media here... we could say then Republicans are moving to a center that are racist gun toting militia members, or qanon has taken over the Republican party.

    Those Republicans, like the uber political correctness/socialist Bernie supporters are what we see/hear the most about. I guarantee you not many Democrats are happy about the loan forgiveness that essentially writes off 10k of loans to people who never made the effort or sacrifice to be successful after college (generalizing).

    Fox, CNN... they show the worst of the other side. Us people in the middle just aren't interesting enough :).
     
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  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Well said. The media turns anyone that believes in second amendment rights into the swastika wearing morons in Michigan and anyone that wants better healthcare for all into socialist free everything for everyone Bernie morons.

    By the way. I give credit where credit is due. Especially when I'm wrong. You were right about rural hospitals. Alabama is struggling big time with their hospital bed and ICU situation. Good call
     
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    Thanks. I grew up in the sticks, so that being the case isn't surprising.
     
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