2017 Senior Bowl Coverage/Comments

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  1. wewantsapp

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    Had to create this to pop in the first comment.

    Weigh-Ins/Measurements:
    Julien Davenport OT from Bucknell ==== 6-6 almost 6-7. 310. 36 Arms!!!!!!

    My guy Antonio Garcia from Troy ==== a little disappointing at 6-6, but 293lbs?? C'mon, - you know you're going to the Senior Bowl, -- gotta eat!
     
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    I knew Forrest Lamp was going to be a little short but quarter inch shorter than 6'4". I think he'll be a stellar guard but he'd be an excellent tackle if he was just 2 inches taller with arms a little longer.

    And I wouldn't be concerned about weight at this point. It's one of the easier things to change, as apposed to height or arm length which is basically locked in at this point.
     
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    I have high hopes for Garcia.

    If he is going to play left tackle he needs to be quick on his feet.
     
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    Forrest Lamp supposedly taking reps at left tackle, guard and center at the first Senior Bowl practice. I think he's going to make some money and if he can prove his versatility as well, sign this beast.

     
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    PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS
    TEs Howard, Roberts stand out on day one
    Wed, Jan 25, 2017

    The expectation coming into this week was that Alabama tight end O.J. Howard was going to wow everyone, and at the weight in and opening practice, he didn’t disappoint. Coming in at 6-feet-4 and 261 pounds, he is every bit the prototype when it comes to size for an NFL tight end.

    On the field he looked smooth, and was arguably the best athlete on the field. He had one drop, but recovered with several nice grabs, including one in double coverage that drew the ire of Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Howard was underused in the passing game at Alabama in 2016, but still made plays when given the opportunity — and he dominated as a blocker, finishing the year as PFF’s highest-graded run-blocker.

    The other tight end who made some waves today was Toledo’s Michael Roberts. After scoring 16 touchdowns in 2016, he came to Mobile this week looking to impress against improved opposition. He had several nice grabs today, showing off good burst to get away from linebackers and safeties in space.
     
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    This TE class is really deep.

    Forrest Lamp, man that prospect might be special at guard. I heard the Zack Martin comparisons.
     
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    http://www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017practice.php


    2017 Senior Bowl: Tuesday Practice Report: North Team

    By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

    The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Chicago Bears coaching staff ran the practice and will coach them all week. The Bears staff had the players practicing in shells: helmets, shoulder pads, and shorts. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

    • Indiana guard Dan Feeney had a rough senior year, as he missed time with a concussion and was forced to play some right tackle because of other injuries on the line. He had a solid start to the week on Tuesday. In the pass-rushing one-on-ones, Feeney had a nice win over Iowa defensive tackle Jaleel Johnson, mirroring a speed rush. In the run scrimmage, Feeney was tough opening holes and getting a push.
    • Johnson wasn't great in the one-on-ones, but he did well in the team scrimmage. He collapsed the pocket in a burst on a screen pass to get a sack of Colorado quarterback Sefo Liufau. He also had a hard hit on De'Veon Smith at the line of scrimmage to snuff out a rushing play. Johnson had consistency issues in college, so it will be important for him to execute complete practices on Wednesday and Thursday.
    • USC defensive tackle Stevie Tu'ikolovatu is a load as a nose tackle, and he overwhelmed a lot of the interior linemen in the one-on-ones. Tu'ikolovatu beat them with a bull rush. He didn't have other moves, but he didn't need to on many snaps. Tu'ikolovatu rolled through Baylor center Kyle Fuller on multiple reps. Tu'ikolovatu would fit best as a zero technique in a 3-4 defense.
    • Ohio defensive end Tarell Basham had a nice start to the week. He did well in the one-on-ones with a bull rush through USC tackle Zach Banner. Basham also used a bull rush to beat Toledo tight end Michael Roberts. In the team scrimmage, he pushed through Bucknell's Julien Davenport to get a sack and showed some coverage on Michigan running back De'Veon Smith in the flat. It will be interesting to see if Basham can continue to improve in the full pad practices.
    • Notre Dame defensive end Isaac Rochell did a nice job on day one in the pass rushing one-on-ones. He used speed to get upfield and strength on a bull rush. Rochell did well against Michigan guard Kyle Kalis.
    • Illinois defensive end Dawuane Smoot and outside linebacker Carroll Phillips had impressive starts to the week. Both were disruptive against the run and the pass. In the run scrimmage, Phillips had a nice tackle for a loss on a zone run where he knifed through the wall to stuff the back in the backfield. Phillips was more impressive in the pass-rushing one-on-ones, as his speed was a problem for offensive linemen. He used a rip move to the inside to beat Western Michigan right tackle Taylor Moton. Phillips used a spin move to get free of Moton, but the big tackle dragged Phillips to the ground in an obvious hold. Phillips swam by Kutztown's Jordan Morgan for a win. Bucknell's Julien Davenport stuffed Phillips on an inside rush, but Phillips also had a nice win in pass coverage, running with Toledo tight end Michael Roberts to prevent separation. He also had a loss trying to cover Florida International tight end Jonnu Smith.

      Overall, Phillips flashed his speed and athleticism to get after the quarterback. Phillips, however, has real off-the-field issues and his team interviews will be equally important for his draft stock.

      During the team scrimmage, Smoot had a good run fill to close the hole on De'Veon Smith. Smoot also ripped at the ball, but Smith had good ball security. In the pass rushing one-on-ones, USC offensive tackle Zach Banner lost, as Smoot used a rip move to the inside. Smoot had other nice rushes, and this was a solid start to his week.
    • This is summary of notes shared with WalterFootball.com from multiple team scouts from across the NFL:

      - Temple linebacker Haason Reddick received acclaim from scouts for his start to the week. Reddick looked quick, instinctive and physical.

      - Sources say that Wisconsin running back Corey Clement looked quick for a big back running routes.

      - Team contacts say that Syracuse wide receiver Amba Etta-Tawo showed excellent ball skills in the one-on-ones.

      - Sources say that Toledo tight end Michael Roberts didn't look bad as a combo tight end. Teams had some speed concerns about Roberts entering the Senior Bowl.

      - Temple guard Dion Dawkins and Western Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Moton are said to be "massive athletic cats."

      - UConn safety Obi Melifonwu impressed teams with his physical skill set. Melifonwu is a size and speed freak.

      - One NFC scout said that Eastern Washington wide receiver Cooper Kupp displayed some savvy route-running. Surprisingly, the normally sure-handed Kupp had a few drops in the positional drills. He did better in the one-on-ones.

      - Sources say that Michigan cornerback Jourdan Lewis had a nice start, as he is a real competitor despite being undersized. Lewis showed fluid hips and quick feet to run with receivers. In the one-on-ones, Kupp and Lewis had some excellent battles. Kupp beat Lewis on a slant, but on a route down the sideline, Lewis ran with Kupp to slap a pass away. Lewis also had an impressive win, blanketing Louisiana Tech wide receiver Trent Taylor to force an incompletion.
     
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    http://www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017practice2.php

    2017 Senior Bowl: Tuesday Practice Report: South Team


    By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

    The South team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Cleveland Browns coaching staff ran the practice and will coach them all week. The Browns staff had the players practicing in shells: helmets, shoulder pads, and shorts. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

    • Alabama tight end O.J. Howard could be the first Senior Bowl prospect selected in the 2017 NFL Draft, as Howard has top-20 potential. He proved it on day one with a tremendous practice. Howard showed his speed and athleticism to get separation with excellent hands, catching the ball away from his body. As a senior, Howard was vastly improved as a route-runner and blocker, and that could be seen in this practice. If Howard performs like this on Wednesday and Thursday, he could be voted Senior Bowl MVP.
    • The other tight ends on the South were impressive as well. South Alabama tight end Gerald Everett and Ole Miss tight end Evan Engram have been compared to Redskins standout receiving tight end Jordan Reed throughout the fall. Both players showed why on Tuesday. Everett was quick, athletic, and dangerous as a receiver. Engram worked the defense over on a deep slant in the team scrimmage for a gain of about 25 yards. Both of them were getting separation with their quickness and route-running. Everett and Engram will never be forces as blockers in the NFL, but they can be mismatch weapons in the passing game.
    • Western Kentucky guard/tackle Forrest Lamp had a strong start to the week, and he could be the best offensive lineman on either team. Lamp held his own at tackle in the pass-rushing one-on-ones and looked even better at guard. During the team scrimmage, Lamp had an impressive block on Texas A&M's Daeshon Hall to spring his back for good yardage. Some teams might try to get away with Lamp at tackle, but he could be more effective and a special player at guard.

      While Hall was blocked on that play, he had a nice start to the week. During the team scrimmage, Hall had an impressive sack, as he flew into the backfield with some serious speed. There is no doubt that Hall has a good skill set with size and speed. The questions on him are a lack of production and consistency, so performing well each day is important.
    • Tennessee cornerback Cam Sutton missed the majority of his senior year with an injury, so there were many eyes on him to see how he would perform in Mobile. Sutton had a strong first day and played well overall. He is a feisty corner who competes well.
    • The Senior Bowl quarterbacks are an unimpressive group, and Cal's Davis Webb is definitely the best of the bunch. He has the strongest arm with some pocket presence. Webb is coming from a gimmick college offense, so showing growth this week with making progressions and quality decision-making would be huge for his evaluation.
    • Texas A&M wide receiver Josh Reynolds had a rough first day. Early on, he lost his footing on one play and had drops on others. In the team scrimmage, he got no separation on a deep ball while being covered by Tennessee State's Ezra Robinson. Texas A&M safety Justin Evans came over the top and the defenders both knocked the pass away. Reynolds didn't show a great effort to come back to the pass, as it easily could have been intercepted.
    • LSU cornerback Tre'Davious White had a mixed session. Early on in the one-on-ones, he was beaten for completions by North Carolina's Ryan Switzer, Grambling's Chad Williams, Western Kentucky's Taywan Taylor and Clemson's Artavis Scott. White looked gassed as he had his hands on his hips and was huffing and puffing. He came back to play much better in the back half of practice with tight coverage to force multiple incompletions in the seven-on-sevens. Perhaps White was just working off some rust in the early going.
    • Auburn defensive tackle Montravius Adams and Chattanooga's Keionta Davis were impressive in the pass-rushing one-on-ones with multiple wins.
    • The linebackers on the South team also had some impressive play. Florida's Alex Anzalone had some hard hits and big run fills. Alabama's Ryan Anderson was dishing out some punishment to the backs and was excellent in smothering a screen during the team scrimmage. Anzalone was very injury prone in college so he needs a strong week of practice.
    • The following bullet points are a summary of notes shared with WalterFootball.com from multiple team scouts from across the NFL.

      - Sources say that O.J. Howard had perhaps the best performance in day one of the Senior Bowl.

      - Gerald Everett impressed team sources as a receiver, which was expected.


      - The physicality of Ryan Anderson was obvious throughout his senior year, and was on full display on day one of the Senior Bowl.

      - Sources say that Davis Webb is physically impressive. They want to see him show improvement with decision-making and working off of his first read as those were negatives on his report from his senior year.

      - Teams felt that Daeshon Hall had a solid start, and they feel he is athletic for his size.

      - Chattanooga defensive end Keionta Davis impressed teams with power at the point of attack.

      - Sources say that Auburn defensive tackle Montravius Adams flashed to them in the pass rushing one-on-ones.

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017practice2.php#DjZ7fLwmmwh9lQC7.99
     
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    There has been some talk about Alabama offensive tackle Cam Robinson being a better fit at guard or right tackle as a pro. Some team sources say they see Robinson as a second-round talent like the Bucs' left tackle Donovan Smith. Others say they see him as a late first-rounder who would be an ideal right tackle. One team said they had Robinson as a top-16 talent and a Russell Okung or Ryan Clady type left tackle.

    A source on a fourth team, meanwhile, felt that Robinson was worthy of a top-20 pick, and that he should stay at left tackle. That area scout said that Robinson could be messed up by changing positions. They think he is smart, athletic, and strong. They compared him to the Buffalo Bills' Cordy Glenn, whom many projected to right tackle, but has proven to be a good left tackle after staying at his college position. Robinson will be a subject of debate in draft meetings, but he looks safe as a top-16 pick in a weak class of offensive tackles.

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors2.php#Hw8HkHH8ZL3px5y8.99
     
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...w-about-the-weigh-ins-for-nfl-draft-hopefuls/

    Comments on players at positions of need for the Jets

    Observations on the North roster

    Usually weighing in at 5-foot-10 and 188 pounds would be discouraging for an NFL prospect. But for Michigan cornerback Jourdan Lewis, those numbers represent a win for him during the Senior Bowl weigh-ins. Anyone who watches the talented cornerback can obviously tell he's a smaller player -- there is no disputing that. But just how small? Certain teams have certain thresholds for the cornerback position and hitting the 5-10 mark as opposed to coming in at 5-9 3/4-inches or smaller is important, especially in a loaded cornerback class. The arms of Lewis also measured 31 inches, which is much better than expected and above average for the position.

    This year's Senior Bowl boasts a few of the largest prospects in the 2017 draft class. USC offensive lineman Zach Banner was the heaviest at 361 pounds, also measuring at 6-8 3/8 with 33 5/8-inch arms and 10 3/4-inch hands. Bucknell offensive tackle Julien Davenport has a massive wingspan (87 1/2-inches) with the longest arms in Mobile (36-inches). And Western Michigan offensive lineman Taylor Moton deserves a mention as well for his impressive 6-5 3/8 and 330-pound frame, distributing that weight evenly throughout with minimal bad weight.

    On film it appears Toledo tight end Michael Roberts swallows the ball as a pass-catcher. So it makes sense that his hands would measure at 11 5/8-inches, easily the biggest on the roster. At 6-4 3/8 and 261 pounds, his upper body was average, but it is clear Roberts doesn't skip leg day with powerful legs. Another tight end from the North roster who deserves mention is Florida International's Jonnu Smith who doesn't have prototypical size at 6-2 7/8 and 245 pounds, but his shredded physique showed his work ethic and dedication to taking care of himself.

    Observations on the South roster

    Offensive tackles Antonio "Tony" Garcia (Troy) and Forrest Lamp (Western Kentucky) stand out on tape as two of the better blockers on this year's roster but the weigh-in process was not kind to either. The 6-6 3/8, 293-pound Garcia possesses a relatively narrow waist for an offensive linemen, which raises questions about his ability to add and maintain "good" weight, as well as hold up to the powerful bull-rushers he will face in the NFL. The compactly-built Lamp is the polar opposite at 6-3 3/4, 305 pounds but he possesses the shortest arms of any offensive lineman in Mobile at just 31 1/8, virtually guaranteeing that he will be projected inside to guard or center for most teams.

    Another potential early-round pick who, unfortunately, did not measure up as well as expected was South Alabama tight end Gerald Everett, who came in at "just" 6-2 3/4 and 227 pounds after being listed at a more traditional 6-foot-4, 240 pounds for the Jaguars. Worse, Everett tied with the smallest hands of any pass-catcher invited to this year's game with his mitts measuring just 8 1/4 the same as San Diego State running back Donnell Pumphrey, who is just over 5-foot-8 and 169 pounds.

    Prior to the start of the weigh-ins, Senior Bowl executive Phil Savage announced that a number of players turned down invitations to the game, with several opting out because of injuries. The 10 players who declined the invitation were DL Jonathan Allen (Alabama), Taco Charlton (Michigan), center Pat Elflein (Ohio State), RB Wayne Gallman (Clemson), CB Kevin King (Washington), TE Jordan Leggett (Clemson), CB Cordrea Tankersley (Clemson), QB Deshaun Watson (Clemson), WR Dede Westbrook (Oklahoma) and WR Mike Williams (Clemson). Savage noted that each of these players declined in a courteous manner.

    Savage also mentioned that 13 players suffered injuries since the end of the season or were in the process of rehabbing them and therefore were unable to participate this week. They include Colorado CB Chidobe Awuzie (toe), LSU LB Kendall Beckwith (knee), Michigan TE Jake Butt (knee), Western Michigan WR Corey Davis (shoulder), Florida LB Jarrad Davis (ankle), Alabama LB Reuben Foster (hand), Louisville S Josh Harvey-Clemons (hamstring), Louisville TE Cole Hikutini (knee), Virginia Tech TE Bucky Hodges (undisclosed), Pittsburgh OG Dorian Johnson (ankle), UCLA edge rusher Takkarist McKinley (shoulder), Florida State DL Demarcus Walker (foot) and Alabama edge rusher Tim Williams (elbow). This is in addition to four other players who had previously accepted an invite and will be here to participate in interviews with clubs and the media but suffered season-ending injuries earlier in the year and will not play this week. They include Alabama safety Eddie Jackson (leg), Mississippi quarterback Chad Kelly (knee), Florida safety Marcus Maye (arm) and Baylor quarterback Seth Russell (ankle).
     
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    Desmond King out there getting killed, not a good press corner. He might end up being a safety at the NFL level. Really liked King in college, but the pros not so much
     
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    Refer to my Mock I had Roberts in Rd 7, He's going to be drafted earlier now.
     
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    I think you're 100% correct, I've always had concerns Desmond King wouldn't have the ability to be a good cover corner. I think safety may be a more natural position.
     
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    He's getting burned by every WR in drills. I think he's a good football player you want on your team, but I don't see a fit for him on the Jets anymore. Onto the next corner ...
     
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    S--t. He was in my mock. Poor guy, - I gave him the kiss of death.
    If he falls, - maybe that is better value for us (3rd round instead of 2nd round). :)
     
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    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/01/senior_bowl_2017_list_of_prospects_meeting_with_je.html

    From a Star Ledger article detailing which prospects the Jets have met with or with whom they plan to meet during Senior Bowl week:

    Arkansas TE Jeremy Sprinkle

    Alabama TE O.J. Howard

    Mississippi TE Evan Engram

    Miami OG Danny Isidora

    California QB Davis Webb

    Clemson ILB Ben Boulware

    UCLA OT Conor McDermott

    Texas Christian OLB Josh Carraway

    West Virginia C Tyler Orlosky

    Wisconsin RB Corey Clement

    Western Kentucky OT Forrest Lamp

    South Alabama TE Gerald Everett

    Alabama OLB Ryan Anderson

    Baylor C Kyle Fuller
     
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    Now that I think about it, he could carve a role on the Jets ... a nickel corner / FS ... was down on his performance today though.

    OJ Howard really making a name for himself, I fully expect him to be in a Dolphins uni
     
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    Maybe we can get Lewis or Sutton instead :)
     
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    With that many arms we should be able to cut the rest of our offensive lineman and run a one man scheme. Draft this beast.
     
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