True on Mirer and Lucas BUT that was BP's fault for going into a season unprepared. In 2000 we had some miracle wins thanks to Vinny but we were awful down the stretch loisng our last 3 to finihs 1 game out of the postseason. A year later we went 7-3 in our last 10 so we got better as the season went along and we won at oak to clinch a playoff berth- our first win in Oakland since we were the Titans. It doesn't matter what the pats did in 2002 in week 17, we crsuhed the Pats on the road in front of a Nat'l TV audience the week before then humiliated GB who was playing for homefield and we won only our 2nd AFC East title EVER. In '04 we played Pitt tight on the road, Buf couldn't beat their backups at home and we lost our QB for 3 weeks and he played hurt when he came back and yet we were still just a kick away from the AFC Title Game. Why do we care what he does in KC? he hasn't done a good job but Vince Lombardi wouldn't win the the lack of talent they have but you still see his team fighting and never quitting.
They gave up 350 yards on the ground to the Titans. But yeah, they were fighting all right. Like an 80 year old woman fighting off a mugger.
and a kick that goes in if we attempt to get positive yardage on the previous play. but what did herm go with? i believe we took a knee. herm either called that play, or allowed to be called. even a run for a yard or two could have won the game.
He pulled that FGA, even if we got another 2 yards he still would have missed it. if he just kicked it the same way he kicked the 47 yarder he would have made it but he didn't do that.
KC has crap talent and injury problems at the most important position and head case problems at the second most important offensive position and an idiot for a GM who traded away Jared Allen for picks, thus putting the team into rebuilding mode while keeping LJ and Gonzalez, the more sensible candidates for such a trade. I think at one point Herm was a teflon coach, but now he's a magnet for criticism.
You are the guy with the steel trap memory, if you can't remember it, you don't want to be convinced. You've been fooling yourself about Herm for more than half a decade. There comes a point where providing you with evidence is a pointless task.
The problem is the kicker had just missed one from 2 yards closer ..... oh and it was short. It does matter what the Pats did because had they lost to the Phish beating Green Bay would have meant nothing becuase they would have been on the outsie looking in. I will however give Herm credit for that season because we did start out 1-4 that season but that loss to Cleveland where we blew the 21 pt when we went into a conservative shell could have cost us a playoff spot. I notice you leave out the 05 December when we lost 3 of our last 4 including being embarrassed on National TV by the Pats..... the I wanna kiss you game. All I'm saying is that yes Herm got us into the playoffs but a few breaks go the other way he doesn't make it all.
nyjunc i will give you credit for sticking to your guns with herm. he however is a moron and terrible football coach. and he is now making you out to be one even though i know you are not. i have a great amount of respect for your posts that dont have anything to do with herm. however your posts that do have to do with herm are absolutely hilarious. thankfully they made that choice, thankfully he managed to steal defeat from the jaws of victory, because our absurd as well CS wasnt doing very much positive. i am quickly falling into mangina dislike as we speak. he does not annoy me nearly as much as herm did at this point of his tenure but i am really getting tired of him, quickly. it was herms MO to throw someone to the dogs, remember what he did to cotrell and then the tool of an OC we had? the guy was quick to deflect the blame and thats the worst kind of snake you can have around.
The Jets have now won two games this year against the constraints they used to labor under: Miami in week 1 when Chad not not good for a last minute TD drive, as he almost never was for the Jets, and Sunday when Herm the turtle went into his patented shell at the end of the game and handed it back to the Jets as he did fairly often against a better team when he was our HC. Scary thought that we could be 2-5 right now if Miami had a QB with the right stuff and KC had a head coach who understands football.
Alleycat9, you do yourself a disservice by calling nyjunc a moron for pointing out the obvious: Herm Edwards did a decent job coaching the New York Jets. My God, I see posters on this very thread claiming that if Hackett was doing the play-calling for this Jets team, that they'd win by 21 points? And you yourself blame Edwards for blaming Hackett for losses? (My memory was that it was the media and the fans who hated Hackett, I remember Edwards standing by his coaching staff.) Mike Vaccaro said this in the NY Post the other day: "Here's what's funny: You could argue that Herm is the most successful coach in Jets history. Yes, that is the classic world's-tallest-midget argument, but the truth is Edwards took the Jets to three playoffs in his five years in charge. Weeb Ewbank won a Super Bowl, and Parcells got them to the brink, and both Walt Michaels and Joe Walton got them to the postseason twice, but Herm got them there three times (actually winning twice, too, which ties him with Michaels and Weeb for most, all-time)." Too many posters on this board make Herm Edwards out to be an idiot, and have pointed to Mangini as the guy who was going to turn the team around. Now, many Mangini supporters are turning on him, especially after WJ spent many millions to build the team as Mangini and Tannenbaum saw fit. What's ironic to me is that virtually ALL of Edwards' critics claim that "Herm Edwards won because he had Bill Parcells' players." As if ANYONE WITH A BRAIN could win with the players Parcells had drafted? Well, let's take a closer look at the Parcells regime: I guess that anyone who had an over-the-hill Mo Lewis, who was great in his prime but saddled with a ridiculous contract that Bill Parcells gave him (right as he went out the door), should have won 12 games every year? And Anthony Becht, as we all know, was an All-Star at Tight End. How about David Loverne, the Jets #3 round pick in 1999? And was it really such a great idea to pass on Orlando Pace in 1997, to move down? And how about Dorian Boose, the #2 pick in 1998? I can't find many #1 draft choices from the parcells' years, since he often traded them. It's weird to me that when Parcells coached the team, the message was always: "The Jets have to work harder than their opponents, because our talent isn't at the level of our opponents." After Parcells left (and Al Groh almost singlehandedly wrecked the team), and they missed the playoffs (as usual)? The message became: "Parcells left so much talent behind that this team should make the playoffs every year." Then Herm Edwards became the head coach, and did precisely that (even though the Jets weren't really all that talented). But Edwards didn't make the Super Bowl, so now he's "The Biggest Loser." Well, most people who said that really bought into this whole "ManGenius" bullcrap. And recently, the "ManGenius" brigade has been jumping off the bandwagon as fast as they can. Although I think Manweenie is a dork and a loser, we have to consider the alternative: Another rebuilding year or two. I might prefer another year of ManGenius...
Don't make excuses, it should be simple to pull up all the times as Jets HC that he passed the blame for losses and took credit for wins. I do have a great memory and I know it didn't happen and I think you are realiozing that too which is why you won't attempt to research it. Brien's first attempt was 47 yards and he missed by inches, his 2nd attempt was 4 yards CLOSER and he pulled it. If he kicks the ballthe same way he makes it from 43. NE was playing for a div title too, they beat Miami at home and needed us to lose. had we lost would they have given back the div title or would they have been looked upon as backing in opr not worthy? of course not. We were clearly the best team in that division when it mattered and we won the games we needed to win including giving NE a thrashing at home and NE wouldn't lose another home game until 3 seasons later. In 2005 we were 4-12, why do I care what we did in 2005? If you mean '04 well we lost to the 2 best teams in the AFC then lost to a desperate Rams team fighting to make the playoffs and we weren't playing well at the time as our QB just came back and was playing w/ a torn rotator cuff but oncve the postseason began we beat SD(who didn't lsoe to another team at home that year) and should have beaten Pitt if our K could make 1 of 2 makeable kicks. If he never wins another game in KC it won't change the fact that he did a good job for us and that is all I really care about.
Why should I do research for an argument with someone incapable of conceding a point, and who avoid the parts of arguments they can't address? I asked you a while back why Herm never takes the blame for anything and you ignored it. Maybe you can show me an example, aside from Cotchery, where Herm actually took the blame for a mistake he made in a Jets game. Since he made plenty of mistakes here, you shouldn't have much trouble. I mean, you've said that you criticized Herm, so use that sharp memory to hunt it out. Hint: This is not something you can skew with the stats of your choice.
Then why are you here replying. This article is about him being blamed for the loss by the KC media. It has nothing to do with how he coached here, but YOU'RE the one who keeps bringing it up. Also, go and watch the post game press conference and you'll see Herm throwing his RB under the bus for not picking up the first down.
Stop making excuses, just bow out and say you didn't know what you were talking about otherwise provide the links. It has everything to do w/ the Jets. We still have misinformed people criticizing him so I have to step in and inject some reality to the situiation.
The person criticizing him is the KC reporter, talking about his coaching as the HC of the KC Chiefs THIS PAST SUNDAY. Btw, did you check out Herm's post-game press conference yet?
It's funny, but junc actually said on another board that he "chooses to not get involved in Herm threads", yet he posts in just about every single one of them :rofl:
Whatsa matta junc? Can't remember any instances? With that steel trap mind you should just be rattling them off. I am just a pauper in the world of Jets trivia, but you shouldn't even have to do research. Let's hear all of these times Herm admitted a fault, smart guy.
