I don't like to stand next to coolers when I'm playing black jack either no matter how good they are at counting cards.
That's too negative. The Patriots aren't young. The Bills are, I guess. No one on the the Dolphins O-line is older than 27, but the only clear keeper there is Long. It's not enough to be young; you have to be good. Like a lot of Dolphin fans, I am optimistic about Henne, but there is no basis for saying he's better than any QB the Jets have right now.
Favre isn't an easy guy to coach. Even the tamed-down one that we see today. The only coaches that I thought did a good job with him were Holmgren and maybe McCarthy. You have let Favre loose but still make him accountable for his mistakes which is what those guys did.
The odds are strong at this point that either the Jets or the Dolphins are turning into the new AFC East doormat. Which team will actually get there I have no idea.
Fire Favre? Well, you are half right. If the Jets fire Mangini and hire from outside the organization, it would be a mini-disaster. On the other hand... If the Jets fired Mangini and elevated Brian Schottenheimer to head coach? Favre would be dealing with the same offense and all and it would be a smooth transition. Same deal if they replaced Mangini with Callahan, Westhoff, or anyone else on the current staff. To me? Mangini looks a bit too tired during recent press conferences (being a serious beer drinker myself, I am sensitive to this kind of thing), maybe he celebrates wins or drowns his sorrows in something stronger than pie and ice cream... Just maybe Callahan was brought in to replace Mangini if and when Woody got tired of losing. maybe there's already people in the team who want Mangini out. I remember when Walt Michaels was removed. You didn't find out about his problems until like, 15 years later. Hey, this is all speculation on my part. But you never know. And that's why you shouldn't assume that removing Mangini would be detrimental to Favre. Maybe Favre and Schottenheimer have an amazing chemistry, and Mangini is in the way? I am just saying... You never know...
Parcells and the Jets I beg to differ. You, Junc, and everyone else in the universe has NO IDEA how the team would have done under Herm Edwards if he had stayed around for another year. You can't assume that there's "no way would things be better if Herm was still here." And this is true for the other side of the coin: The posters saying that the team would have been better off if they had kept Edwards and Pennington, etc. My point is: You just cannot predict anything in the NFL. And if this season doesn't convince you? I give up. Herm Edwards was a good coach while he was with the NY Jets, and I wish more fans would give him his due. Everyone claims he took over a Parcells team "loaded with talent" but in fact, he handled a team that Al Groh abandoned that was loaded with some bad contracts that Parcells had left behind. And remember this: Parcells himself always said that the Jets lacked talent and needed to work harder than their opponents to overcome that. I don't remember anyone saying that Parcells had a talented Jets team. Edwards took the Jets to the playoffs more often than Parcells did--in fact, Parcells basically deserted the Jets. Parcells gave up on the Jets because he thought the team that he himself put together could never win! But no Jets fan wants to award Edwards any credit for this, nor will they attack Parcells for deserting us. Which to me, as a long-time Jets fan, is more than weird. So many of you message board posters think Parcells set up some kind of Super Team for Edwards or something, which just isn't fair. If the Jets were such a great team, why wouldn't Parcells have stayed on so he could coach all this great talent to a Super Bowl? Hey, if you want to make the case that Parcells was a great evaluator of talent, then you have to ask yourself that question. Either Parcells was wrong about their talent level, and made a huge mistake, or Edwards did a good coachingjob with the team that Parcells abandoned. Also, how did Al Groh miss the playoffs with this bunch? And how did Edwards, who in 2004 coached the Jets five years after Parcells left, make the playoffs if he was such a terrible coach? I am not saying Herm Edwards is Vince Lombardi or anything. I think the team was beginning to tune him out, so I am in no way trying to say that Edwards was a savior or the greatest coach of all time. But I do wish that more Jets fans would give the guy some credit. He did get the team into the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he coached the Jets. He managed to win the first divisional title for the Jets since they won the Super Bowl. He won a couple of playoff games. For a Jets fan like me, who went through the 1980s and early 1990s? This was good enough. You Mangini backers out there just have to wake me up when "The Mangenius" manages to do better with the Jets than Herm. You know, a Super Bowl appearance, an 11-5 record, whatever. But my fear is that he's just another bad coach... Well, not a bad coach, but a guy like Pete Carroll, who ends up being a great coach, but not in NYC. So I figure that in a few weeks we will end up with another guy, another system, and another five-year plan that gets me ever closer to the Grim Reaper without a Super Bowl.
Thank you! Herm deserves a hell of alot more credit than he gets from Jets Fans. Mangini gets far more credit than he deserves...
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: How has Herm made the postseason w/ 3 different DCs and 2 different OC's then? It amazs me how we had such a terrrible HC and such a terrible QB yet we had the best postseason making strretch in team history. We must have had 10 HOfers on those teams to make up for all the awful coaching and awful QB play.
Didn't Herm go 4 & 12 the year after he fired Hackett. Try again. He inherited 2 franchise QB's 4 first round draft picks and left the team in totally disaray. He took over a top team in KC and turned it to crap. He doesn't build teams he tears them down and leaves a mess on the floor. Herm Edwards 8 years in coaching taking over two winning teams is 53 & 65 and 2 & 4 in the post season.
He did- w/ a FOURTH STRING QB at the helm most of the year, w a 3rd string RB for a good portion of the year, w/ ONE OL starter that began and ended the year in the same position. Yep, we fell apart b/c of hackett's firing:rofl: What exactly did he tear down here or in KC? Jets 1999 & 2000 w/o Herm: No playoffs Jets 2001-2004 w/ Herm: 3 of 4 playoff apps Chiefs 2004 & 2005: No playoffs Chiefs 2006: Playoffs What exactly did he tear down? You act like he took over the 49er dynasty in the late 80s. he took over 2 medicore franchises and made us alot better and KC better for a year before they began a full rebuilding job.
8 years taking over two winning teams loaded and he has a lossing record in both the regular and post season. He is what his record says he is a loser who was run out of NY and will be run out of KC.
That's badly oversimplifying it. Herm had one bad year when everyone got hurt which took his record under 500. I'll take three playoffs in four years, advancing in two of them, with a division title any time. As Jet coaches go that's the best four-year stretch ever.
Teams that win are built. The Jets were built before Herm got here. He didn't bring the level of play up year after year the team was a solid team loaded with young and veteran talent under Herm. They never got better they platued and than collapsed. He built nothing he destroyed.
Tell that to Ray Handley. You still have to run the team beginning with off season and camp, through the season and coach the games.
Quote: abyzmul Brett Favre throwing left-handed would be better than Pennington. :rofl:That was good! Can't quote yet. I still haven't posted enough.
I gave Herm the benefit of the doubt and in many cases defended him for the majority of the time he was here, and in turn he proved the ineptitude that many Jets fans accused him of, proving me wrong. He had a cavalcade of excuse-makers for him, he blamed everyone but himself for his mistakes, and even had beat writers kissing his ass because he gave them everything they wanted and every retarded sound bite they could ask for. Herm doesn't deserve shit and he is proving that in Kansas City, his dream job that he fled to when he was done failing in NewYork. Screw Herman Edwards, he is a fraud.
Please explain to me how the Jets and Chiefs were winners when he took over? In BOTH situations he took over teams that had missed 2 straight postseasons and guided each in his 1st year. It's funny how you act like he took over 2 dynasy teams and ran them into the ground. So in '98 we were built already? So BP doesn't get credit then, right? and if that's the case then Herm gets credit for 2006 as he and TB built much of that playoff team.
