new members to the board who havent bet yet, or people who just havent bet yet like myself, only have 500 vCash. On a separate note, I'm not a big fan of Mangini's playcalling myself. The defense is a separate story since he is just getting the correct personnel in place, but you've got to get creative and you've got to get people open. Look at what the Falcons do with Turner and Norwood. Miami with Brown and Williams. The Cowboys with Barber and Jones. The Titans with White and Johnson. What about the Jets with Jones and Washington? Even the Raiders get more creative with McFadden and Bush. And the only reason would ever be a waste of an investment is if Mangini planned to use the same check-down patterns that he used with Pennington. Why buy a heat-seeking rocket launcher when all you are planning on doing is throwing water balloons? Maybe the rocket launcher can sling water balloon better than your typical water balloon heaving device, but when it comes down to it, a water balloon is still a water balloon.
Petrozza man, c'mon, he did'nt copy anyones scheme...Its his own scheme...That he used in New England too.
Mangini had that Herm Edwards dazed look on his face all night. He is out of his league and just like the Germ has no clue.
give the guy some credit, first year he brought us to the play-offs with a team far less talented then this year, these guys are only working with eachother for a very short period!!
What do you mean his own scheme? It's Belichick's scheme that Mangini happened to utilize in New England.
Mangini does not inspire confidence of late. It's not too late for him to change, but time is not on his side.
This is getting ridiculous. What is going on with Mangina? He truly is off in left field. I agree the onside kick was such a bad move. That worked against the pats, thats it. Today I feel so different than other losses because it doesn't hurt that bad.. It just sucks and is depressing, I'm not angry... I'm just blah.?/? Losing Jenkins last night was the end of the game in my opinion. Without Jenkins the D is like last year-- huge up the middle runs for 7+ yards a down..
the most troubling thing about Mangini, is to me, the media got to him during the week and he called that dumbass onside kick to sort of be like, "see I can take chances".....only problem is, that was the worst possible time to do it and it killed all momentum.
He had a single year as a coordinator. Before that, he was a secondary coach. I think it's a fair bet that he didn't install his own personal scheme in his one year as a coordinator.
True. And for that matter, Herm didn't bring his own defense over, either. He brought the Tampa-2 that Dungy and Kiffin ran.
I am starting to feel like Mangini is the square peg being forced into the circular slot. Reassign Sutton to a smaller role (assistant DC?), let Mangini be the defensive coordinator, and let Callahan take over as head coach. Let him work some of that '02 Raiders magic on this team.
Just taking into account the coaching aspect of last nights game. 1) Team was ready to play, defense disrupted Rivers on the first possesion and got a pick 6. 2) Specifically practiced an onside kick during the week. Got the look they wanted, and ran when they wanted to. Coaching staff prepared the team for that exact moment. Execution failed. 3) Game/Clock management (onside kicks/deep kickoffs). From very early on 4th Qtr. Mangini tried an onside kick and it worked and led to a quick score. After the score, we kicked deep when SD though we would do another onside and was a touchback. 4) 2 Pt. conversions - We tried them everytime we should have. None executed 5) Late FG try - Settled for FG, as an attempt to keep the game a two possesion game. Something that Mike Tomlin FAILED to do the day before.
since the New England playoff game a couple of years ago, Eric Mangini has lost 15 out of the last 20 games he has coached-that's .250, that's Bud Harrelson, THAT should get you fired...he has officially lost this loyal long-time Jets fan's support
I totally agree....get FIRED up! Start getting that sideline going ....stop standing around like a lil P*ssy!
This is a very valid point. 20 games of mediocrity and worse is an eternity in the NFL. How many people can coach a team to 5-15 and actually turn it around after that? What does the locker-room think about Mangini at this point given the Jets lack of success under his leadership? If the Jets lose to Arizona next week at home and I'm Woody I boot him and put in an interim coach to handle the bye week and try to raise the performance level of the team for the next 12 games. If nothing else, you'd have a coach in place who the players don't associate with losing.
Putting aside my own feelings about Mangini, you have to remember who the owner is, and how long, how much, did it take him to get rid of The Verminator? I doubt Mangini is going anywhere anytime soon.
^Exactly--there is no way Mangini doesn't complete the season. Tannenbaum has banked on him, Woody's spent the money, its a done deal for this season. Hence, the meaninglessness of this thread at this time.
What I can't figure out in all of this is why the Jets have collapsed (again) so quickly. There was nothing going into the 2007 season, after the successes of 2006, that suggested the Jets were about to become a doormat again. They didn't have any particularly significant injuries going into 2007 and the season was almost devoid of major injuries. They haven't had any major injuries in the offseason in 2008 either and nothing on the field so far to cause this kind of ineptitude. That leaves only the coaching (and possibly GM work) as the likely culprits in the collapse. You can argue that the players aren't executing well, however that's a coaching flaw also: you either prepare your players to execute well on game day or you replace them with players prepared to execute. Doing neither of those things makes you a bad coach.
