Unlike Parcells and Belichik's successful transformations of the Jets and Pat's defense respectively by STAYING with the 4-3 for a season and then gradually shifting into a hybrid 3-4? I'm in the Parcells and Belichik corners on this one and not with Mangini at all. Particularly given the results the three of them achieved. So, buy on credit! Is that the deal? Very American of you. Kevan Barlow cost us a 4th round pick. QUALITY! That's what we want. Patrick Ramsey cost us a 6th round pick. QUALITY! More trades like this one please. Bobby Hamilton cost us a 7th round pick. QUALITY! I like getting players about to retire without ever making an impact for us when all we're giving up is draft picks. Sean Ryan cost us a 7th round pick. QUALITY! Ok, I'll stop with the quality thing given that the Jets have received no quality at all in their draft pick for player trades so far under this regime. Every time they have used a draft pick to take a flyer on somebody's trash the acquisition has turned into a reject. Now couple this with the Jets willingness to bundle picks to move up and you have an absolutely ridiculous talent acquisition process that while it tastes good at this moment in time is going to vanish like cotton candy on the tongue in a year or two. this year will be fun to watch but we have little hope of being the team of the future in the AFC East at this point. That going to go to one of the teams that's actually following a good talent development scheme. Make a rationale argument here and I'll respond. There was nobody to play at the end of 2005 but Bollinger and that was the right move. Oh, you know, the old "fight all our personnel battles in public so we can look as bad as possible" thing, or the "let's get rid of Kendall at all costs so we can watch our offensive line become one of the worst in the NFL" thing, or the "let's just hold onto Chad, D-Rob and Vilma until they have lost most of their value" thing. There are so many things that this regime has done wrong at this point that we're reduced to hiring a 38 year old gunslinger to come in and try to make things right for a year. And that's what we're likely to get out of it. 1 year. That's not a rebulding process, that's a car full of clowns making us laugh as they lap the ring a few times and then the show is over.
Are you kidding me? The difference between being a 26 year old team like the Bills and Panthers, or a 28 year old team like the Jets or a 29 year old team like the Patriots is huge. NFL careers are short and for most players, even good players, they go over in 5 to 7 years. The difference between having a bunch of players in their 3rd and 4th season like the Bills and having a bunch of players in their 5th and 6th season like the Jets is huge. Everybody on this board pooh-poohed the fact that Curtis Martin was turning 30 because hey, he was Curtis Martin. He was also retired a year later. Fabini hit 29 and suddenly he wasn't half the player he'd been at 27. That's just how it goes. For most players there's a moment when they're at their peak and then something happens, it's almost like a switch turns off and suddenly they're not that good any more. A season later they're not even good enough to stay in the league. There are some great players in this league who will beat the odds and keep playing strongly until they are well past their physical prime. The average player isn't going to have that happen and the Jets are full of average players at this point. And they're not young.
Do you ever have anything negative to say about the team? Mangini is a great coach, but sometimes I question his ability to call the game during clutch situations.
Unfortunately my career as a poster on Jet's boards has completely overlapped the period from the Jetskins raid in 2003 to today. That means I've watched two straight regimes that couldn't tie their shoelaces with a manual squander the talent advantage that Parcells left (along with the cap problems) and turn the Jets from a middle of the pack team with a future (Farrior, Randy Thomas, JAbe and Shaun Ellis among the high draft picks of the preceding three years) into an aging middle of the pack team with a dim future. That'll make anybody who posts critically, actually looking at the facts and calling them as I see them, sound very negative.
My point is you are always crying wolf with stats that u spin towards the negative. I can use the same stats to disprove your incessant negativity. No there really is not that big a difference between the Jets average age of +/- 27 and the Bills at 26. You are full of crap on this. The Jets have been drafting just fine recently and added a few older players through free agency. You were crying all last year how the Jets did nothing and traded away their future. Only Revis and Harris are 2 of the best players on this team. They add the older players through free agency. But yeah there is a looming disaster. Please this team, staff and management is damned if they do and damned if they don't with you. Unfortunately sometimes we on the site are as well.\ Edit: I want to add that the staff after last year has a lot to prove. I do not think they are the next coming, conversely the negativity you show Bradway is well............. It is well within your right to be a Glass is totally devoid of any water and has no hope of even a molecule of H2o ever coming in contact with it guy.
The difference between being a 26 year old team like the Bills and Panthers, or a 28 year old team like the Jets or a 29 year old team like the Patriots is huge.>>>> 1. No, it's not. 2. Stop whining and bullshitting. 3. You DO realize that our average age is brought up significantly simply by having Favre and Richardson on the roster, right? I know you're smart enough to know that, but too much of a Debbie Downer to actually let it factor in. Players on this roster 28 or younger: D'Brick Mangold Harris Lowery Revis Moore Rhodes Pace Leon Keller Cotchery Mosley Miller Baker Gholston Elam/Smith D. Coleman K. Brown DeVito Clowney And theres more...but hopefully you get the point by now. We're not an old team. Stop trying to tell people we are. When was the last time you said something that everyone on the board couldn't shit on instantly anyway?
Uh. ..um.. the reason you are a fan of the Jets is number 4 right? how can you say MM is better than EM when EM had zero at QB year 2 and MM had your god? edit: for clarification, im not saying MM is not better, just that there is not enough info. you have to compare like with like.
Does our analysis of individuals really always have to stop at "the team won X amount of games, so individual player Y is X good." Mangini isn't a good coach because of his friggin track record. He's had 2 seasons and a game to build a track record, and many fans seem to have agreed to ignore 2006 like it never happened anyway. Mangini is a good coach in the ways a young coach is a good coach...he's well prepared...he's drafted well...he's acquired talent that fit his system...his players like him...other teams aren't salivating to play us...little shit like that. You can't say he's not a good coach because he's not Bill fucking Parcells or Bill fuckin Belichick. NEITHER of those guys were the names they were fuckin 33 games into their NFL career.
In 3 years the talent level on this team has been increased dramatically. Can these guys coach it and adjust? I'm not sure.
You would have a point had it not been for the fact that Mangini made the playoffs in his "quick change" year 1, whilst Parcells & BB missed out in their "no change" year 1.
thats the sentiment I share as well. I hope its just youthful inexperience and it will get better over time.... but Sutton is ancient and he seems inept at adjusting.
Mangini has done some things very well and has failed at others. Like any young coach he's had to do some learning on the job. But I like the fact that he doesn't seem to make the same mistake twice. That bodes well for his future success as a HC.
GOOD 1) Draft - Jets have had great drafts over the last 3 years, probably in the top 5 of the NFL. Numerous starters & several with Pro Bowl potential (Revis, Harris, Mangold, Leon - KR). Somebody (Mangini, Tannenbaum, director of scouting or all of the above) has a great eye for talent. 2) Tone - set team atmosphere of hungry, tough and smart. Jets were 2nd least penalized team last season. Brought in guys who love to play, not just $$ motivated guys. 3) Leadership - brought in solid team leaders and has a great mix of vets & young guys on the current roster. 4) UDFA - gives a real chance to UDFA and practice squad guys (either out of necessity or interest). Several of them have become quality backups: DeVito, Murrell, Clowney, Ratliff, etc.
BAD 1) Forcing the 3-4 - just stupid to run it for 2 years without the bodies necessary. Wasted the team's two best defensive prospects (Vilma, DRob). Parcells revamped both the Dallas and Miami defenses in exactly one draft. 2) Early Trades and F/A - first two years were bad: Barlow, Kimo, etc. And many of them cost us draft picks which makes it even worse (especially considering how well the team drafts). 2008, though, changed everything: Jenkins, Favre, Faneca, Pace, etc. So that mistake has been corrected. 3) Personnel: Kendall situation was just a mess. But the team learned and Baker situation was handled differently. 4) P*ssy game management: no pressure at the end of games / too much prevent D. Even if Sutton causes this, Mangini is still responsible. This problem persists.
You gotta be fucking KIDDING me...are people STILL complaining about playing the 3-4 thing? If this stupid issue has to be brought up again..I'm going to ask...the other DE would have been...BT? Didn't we hate BT the DE? Who would have played the other DT? In '06 Pouha was injured...so who would have been starting in the other DT spot? Really people...if your'e going to bitch about what your coaches did/didn't do...consider the actual situations at the time...don't just "ZOMG I'm right and they shoulda/woulda/coulda done this if they were as smart as me," because it's bullshit. Cap space. Personnel. And it's game time so I'm done with this one.
If today's game was any indication, Mangini is NOT smart, NOT gutsy, and consequently, NOT a good coach. Clear?
Hard to base it all on today's game but if the Jets were a dead body, CSI would find plenty of evidence that lead to Shotenheimer and Mangini.
