I've compiled a list of first season records from the most current head coaches with at least one year of experience. Year Team Wins Losses Ties Playoffs Bellichick 1991 CLE 6 10 0 - Billick 1999 BAL 8 8 0 - Capers 1995 CAR 7 9 0 - Coughlin 1995 JAC 4 12 0 - Cowher 1992 PIT 11 5 0 0-1 Crennel 2005 Cle 6 10 0 - Del Rio 2003 JAC 5 11 0 - Dungy 1996 TAM 6 10 0 - Edwards 2001 NYJ 10 6 0 0-1 Fisher 1994 HOO 1 5 0 - Fox 2002 CAR 7 9 0 - Gibbs 1981 WAS 8 8 0 - Green 1992 MIN 11 5 0 0-1 Gruden 1998 OAK 8 8 0 - Haslett 2000 NOR 10 6 0 1-1 Holmgren 1992 gnb 9 7 0 - Jauran 1999 CHI 6 10 0 - Lewis 2003 CIN 8 8 0 - Malarchy 2005 Buf 5 11 0 - Mariucci 1997 SFO 13 3 0 1-1 Martz 2000 STL 10 6 0 0-1 Mora 2004 ATL 11 5 0 1-1 Nolan 2005 SFO 4 12 0 - Parcells 1983 NYG 3 12 1 - Reid 1999 PHI 5 11 0 - Saban 2005 Mia 9 7 0 - Shannahan 1988 LAD 7 9 0 - Shell 1989 LAD 7 5 0 - Sherman 2000 GNB 9 7 0 - Shottenheimer 1984 CLE 4 4 0 - Smith, Lovie 2004 Chi 5 11 0 - Tice 2002 MIN 6 10 0 - Overall - 229 - 260 - 1 (47% winning) Of the 32 first seasons, only 7 resulted in a playoff birth, only 3 managed to win a playoff game, and none won more than 1 playoff game. Of the playoff teams: 1992 - Cowher : inherited a 7-9 team coached by Chuck Noll 2001 - Edwards : inherited a 9-7 team coached by Al Groh - We all know parcells built this team 1992 - Green : inherited an 8-8 team coached by Jerry Burns 2000 - Haslett : inherited a 3-13 team coached by Mike Ditka - Ricky Williams was drafted in 1999 1997 - Mariucci : inherited a 12-4 dynasty coached by George Seifert 2000 - Martz : inherited a 13-3 Superbowl team coached by Dick Vermeil 2004 - Mora : inherited a 5-11 team coached by Reeves - I believe Vick was out for the 2003 season with injury. In 2002 they were 9-7 and made the playoffs in Vicks 2nd season.
Funny but I have faith in the tanngini duo and I think with all the injuries this team had last year I cant see us sitting in the basement. Im not saying a winning record is out of the question because in the NFL anything can happen in a season to any team. Just my thought
I guess my point is that we shouldn't be expecting an immediate turnaround this season and to try and spark some discussion other than we should draft ____. I'm sure many people aren't expecting an instant superbowl winner, but I wanted to put some perspective on what having a first year coach might mean - for myself and possibly others. I'm sure a post like this could still lead to draft discussion but perhaps from a different angle. Basically I'm bored as hell at work.
Expect more losing seasons, as even coaches who go on to prove themselves typically start slow. Bellichick 1991 CLE 6 10 0 - Coughlin 1995 JAC 4 12 0 - Dungy 1996 TAM 6 10 0 Gibbs 1981 WAS 8 8 0 - Gruden 1998 OAK 8 8 0 - Parcells 1983 NYG 3 12 1 - Shannahan 1988 LAD 7 9 0 - Shottenheimer 1984 CLE 4 4 0 - Smith, Lovie 2004 Chi 5 11 0 - Tice 2002 MIN 6 10 0 Herm by contrast did pretty well!
Herm was lucky enough to start with a playoff caliber team. The majority of times it is teams who are horrible that fire a coach. WSW, I think the majority around here know that we are in a rebuilding type of mode and arent expecting a miracle which is why most of the talk is about the draft. Even most of the darksiders have given Tangini 2 years to see a decent turnaround from the last Herm years. I wouldnt mind winning 5-6-7 games if it meant that the team shows sign of improvement as well as moving in the right direction. Playing a quality game of football unstead of the nonsense we have seen at times with Herm.
Second year coaches fair much better. This is likely a factor of most coaches that are still around have to be successfull. Year Team W L Playoff Wins Playoff Losses 1992 CLE 7 9 - - Bellichick 2000 BAL 12 4 4 0 Billick 1996 CAR 12 4 1 1 Capers 1996 JAC 9 7 2 1 Coughlin 1993 PIT 9 7 0 1 Cowher 2006 Cle NA NA NA NA Crennel 2004 JAC 9 7 - - Del Rio 1997 TAM 10 6 1 1 Dungy 2002 NYJ 9 7 1 1 Edwards 1995 HOO 7 9 - - Fisher 2003 CAR 11 5 3 1 Fox 1982 WAS 8 1 4 0 Gibbs 1993 MIN 9 7 0 1 Green 1999 OAK 8 8 - - Gruden 2001 NOR 7 9 - - Haslett 1993 gnb 9 7 1 1 Holmgren 2000 CHI 5 11 - - Jauran 2004 CIN 8 8 - - Lewis 2006 Buf NA NA NA NA Malarchy 1998 SFO 12 4 1 1 Mariucci 2001 STL 14 2 2 1 Martz 2005 ATL 8 8 - - Mora 2006 SFO NA NA NA NA Nolan 1984 NYG 9 7 1 1 Parcells 2000 PHI 11 5 1 1 Reid 2006 Mia NA NA NA NA Saban 1989 LAD 1 3 NA NA Shannahan 1990 LAD 12 4 1 1 Shell 2001 GNB 12 4 1 1 Sherman 1985 CLE 8 8 0 1 Shottenheimer 2005 CHI 11 5 0 1 Smith, Lovie 2003 MIN 6 10 - - Tice Overall - 253 - 176 (56% winning) Overall Playoff Record 24-16 3 Superbowl Appearances 2 Superbowl Victories 18 of 27 made the playoffs (4 new in 2005, Shannahan fired after 4 games)
Except they didn't make the playoffs in the two seasons before Herm came, and they did the first two seasons he coached. No, they were not in massive rebuilding mode, but they weren't ready-made either. A new QB had to be brought in, which can be pretty traumatic for any new coach. I think Herm did do a lot of good things for the Jets in their first two seasons. His problem was in his failure to adjust, but he got things going on the right foot. No way I expect Mangini to do that, in large part because of the mess Herm left him, but at the same time I don't agree that Herm walked into a set-piece situation where all he had to do was put the key in the ignition.
This is a little deceptive considering that five of the ten choices are pre free agency when it was much much more difficult to turn a team around quickly.
Great post. and great research, it probably makes my 7-9 prediction look like garbage(but we have a crappy schedule). Jesus half of those guys have junky records. Someone the Houston Oilers found gold hiring Fischer after a 1-5 interm season for the guys who finished OVER .500 that didnt make the playoffs who werent mentioned Saban took over for Wanstaat, ENOUGH SAID Holmgren took over crap but he might be a borderline HOF coach Sherman was over .500 BUT he took over the 1998 Packers after they lost to the broncos
Of the coaches on that list, I would say that the top 5 would be Parcells, Gibbs, Belicheck, Cowher and Reid. Of that list only Cowher finished above .500. This list, though I'm sure it required a lot of effort (which I thank you for) indicates pretty much nothing.
Yep it shows 1st yr dont mean jack CHit. and fi you have a winning record AKA faggot herm you inherited a team
Herm Edwards got the last drop of blood out of the players inherited from Parcells. Bradway added almost nothing in five years. And please stop the BS crap that Herm left a mess. He wasn't the GM and didn't select the players drafted. Blaming Herm Edwards is revisionist history and convenient scapegoating by morose, depressed Jet fans and some blatent out and out racists. Mangini has to make the playoffs and win an AFC East championship in his first two years, as Herman Edwards did. Anything less and he should be fired along with Tannenbaum. Rebuilding is for Kansas City Royals of the sports world, not NFL teams. Losing in his second season will not be tolerated, especially with Mangini's boring personality and endless mouting of shop worn tiresome cliches which will not be tolerated for very long as the losses keep mounting. The media and fans will run him out of town as they should.
Herm Edwards is the worst coach at managing the clock(tell me who is worse) I never seem so many horrible decisions with 2 minutes left in each of the halves. Yes Bradway sucked but herm was part of it. Bradway actually had decent draft picks. yeah not great but not good. But tell me what GM's were awesome. Herm inherited a team and still stunk. He isnt a top 20 coach unless you are brain dead. KC fans will see what we mean. Herm relied on assistants too much, look what happened. Offense was supposedly too conservative so blame it on Hackett. Next yr yes there were injuries but they sucked Cotrell? WTF, then you hire donnie henderson then after 2 years we have to blame the defensive co..... good job herm mys well blame a kicker oooooopppppsss
Impugning racism to those who criticize Herm Edwards' coaching legacy just don't cut it, RAJensen. He did do a very good job here in my opinion his first two seasons, then coasted on charm and the good will he built up. He didn't give bench players adequate chances, holding on instead to older vets with whom he had personal relationships and whose on-field skills were deteriorating at the same rate their off-field sense of entitlement grew. His poor game management proved a repeated embarrassment not only during the last seconds of close games, when he couldn't be counted on to manage the clock, but in high-drama moments, best evidenced by the knee Chad took against the Steelers. He ran a soft training camp that contributed to an unready, injury-prone team in 2005. And he left the team in what can only be honestly described as fraudulent terms that cast a shadow on his honesty as a coach and as a human being. Me, I hate giving the Darksiders this, because they take that as carte blanche to pretend Herm was a fake from the word go. He wasn't, but he lost his way and needed to leave. Saying there are ulterior motives behind seeing Edwards' career with the Jets as anything less than a complete success just won't cut it with any fan who cares about his team more than their coach.
But the overall winning pct is 47% so that means we would be around 7-9 or 8-8 and with a couple of breaks that can turn into 9 or 10 wins with the schedule we have. I don't expect us to win the SB but I wouldn't be surprised with a 9 or 10 win season and to possibly even make the playoffs. I know they have work to do in some areas but anything possible!
