Was I right about Drafting Gholston???

The problem is you stirred opinions of sh--. Please dont waste your time on this board anymore, since your posts just clutter this place with things that no one should be reading.

Also, you will be informed soon that you have been traded to the Dolphins finheaven message board for no comepnsation.

Seriously though, you really need to get a life! If it is 2010 right now and Gholston hasnt done crap in his first 2 seasons, then its time for this post. But do it after 4 meaningless preseason games is just plain retarded and an opportunity you took to say "I told you so." If you told us every single player drafted by every team over NFL history were wasted picks after 4 preseason games you would probably be right about 99.5% of the time AT THE TIME. Then some of these players turn out to be pretty good and you dont mention them again or your predictions and ppl forget about some of the retaded posts you posted years ago. You really need to find another sport/message board to save us from your retaded drivel.

 

See *my* problem with this is that others are already CONVINCED the guy is a bust *before the first snap in the first game of his first season.*

It makes *zero* sense, and thats why I can't respect this thread. WW85, I respect the fact that you dislike Gholston as an NFL prospect/player, but I don't respect the fact that you just made a thread after the guys *first preseason* to accept praise for calling his shittiness.

 

Why?

Why do you think you are right about drafting Gholstonm? Because he hasn't played well in the preseason?
I guess in the first year The Texans felt they were wrong about not drafting Reggie Bush too.
All we are saying is very very simple.Don't judge a player after 1 camp and 4 preseason games.It normally takes a couple of years for players to come into their own.In two or three years you can discuss this issue.Right now you are waaay off.

 

Mario Williams is a beast, Reggie Bush, not so much. Good point.

However, Gholston has not even PLAYED a regular season game yet. Good grief.

This thread is horrible. He did not even look that bad really. Played bad vs. the Eagles, but had some nice plays in the other games.

 

Its great that you have seen Gholston play since he came out of the womb.Its also good that you have judged him and can predict how he will transform to the NFL.Most of us have not, but at the same time, most of us cannot predict how he will play for the Jets over the next couple of years.I do not spend my life posting and predicting unpredictable things on a draftboard and starting threads proclaiming how right I am on what a player will do based on what he did in college.

 

Forget about how many games he's played. Everyone and their mothers would agree that the Jets are looking to win NOW. Sure, we have some talent for down the line, but if you think that Faneca, Jenkins, Favre, and Coles are going to be around forever, you're sadly mistaken. My point is this...if you think you're going to be building a win now team, why draft a project with the 6th overall pick? Maybe 2 years from now, he's a fantastic player. How does that help us this year? He's not going to be ready this year, probably not next year (and that's not based on how many games he's played for the Jets. It's just a fact since he's learning a new position.)

Personally, I don't foresee much success from Gholston in the present or the future. I think the Jets drafted with hopes that he can be coached, but he certainly lacks technique. He's always lacked technique, and I'm wondering if all this new information is ever going to sink in with him.

Players I would have rather drafted at #6:

S Kenny Phillips - I don't care how late he went, that doesn't mean shit once the games start. Plus, he would be an IMMEDIATE upgrade over Smith or Elam.

CB - Leodis McKelvin - Personally, I don't think this is as much of a need since I'm definitely happy with Lowery, but no question he's got the talent to be a shutdown.

RB - Jonathan Stewart - He's the battering ram that could really bring this offense around to where it needs to be. I'm worried that Thomas Jones might not be the guy to get it done.

If we could have traded down to get these guys then great. Even if we lost a little value. But Gholston was a reach at #6 as a project player. Forget how many games he's played in a Jet uniform because that just has nothing to do with anything. It is the icing on the cake so far because no, he hasn't looked very good. I'll give him a pass because I don't give a shit about preseason, but c'mon, don't tell me you're happy that he more than likely won't be productive this season, not the #6 overall pick when Keller and Lowery are going to be on the field a ton.

 

Gholston was a GREAT pick. He could've easily gone #1 overall because he is a very unique talent. The problem thus far has been that we selected a defensive end and through him into the read and react linebacker position. At Ohio State Gholston put his hand down and attacked the quarterback. And he did a damn good job. Linebackers like Laurenitis and Freeman are clearly better linebackers than him (and both on his team). Kentwan Balmer and as many second day picks as we could get would NOT have been a better result than getting Gholston where we did. I'm not vouching for his play at linebacker, but on a team that plays the Patriots twice, what a great specimen to have who can get in Brady's helmet! Great selection.

 

this thread makes me

 

I wish people would stop with the builtin excuses just because somebody plays for the Jets. You hear them for Clemens, you hear them for Jones, now you hear them for Gholston.

I would bet if any of these three played for the Pats people here would be laughing themselves silly.

 

Oh, absolutely. Just look at how many people on this board rip the Dolphins for the Brady Quinn-Ted Ginn draft decision.



For the record, I think the Dolphins are better off with Ginn than Quinn. I also think Henne is a better QB than Quinn.

 

Same as Vernon Gholston, Calvin Pace did great at Wake Forest putting his hand down as a 4-3 DE.
As a 1st round draft pick, he was BARELY able to make the transition to the NFL in the same 4-3 DE position --- at best, he became mediocre at the position. He was switched to the OLB position in the 3-4 and the guy appears to be thriving.

Gholston will make the transition & will do well. I think he is still beginning to understand that he is no longer the big fish in the small pond. He can't get away w/relying 100% on his athleticism back in college.

I agree --- he's getting paid a lot of money. But that is not his fault or the JETS fault --- its the sillly ridiculous automatic award of big $$ that 1st rounders get based on "the system" which somehow, someway has to be changed.

We cannot judge him after a month of summer practice & 4 pre-season games --- even if it is vs 2nd teamers & 3rd teamers. Watching him, it seems like he is constantly thinking first about where he should be & what to do in the system. Once he is comfortable w/that, I think it will be easier for him to react.

 

That isnt fair though. So 1st overall pick Jake Long will HAVE to be just as good as future HOFer Orlando Pace and anything less than that is a failure and he is a bust since both men were picked at the same spot?

He was picked high because of the lack of defensive frontman who can play the 3-4. Harvey, Ellis cant play the system and thus werent truly mentioned for the Jets. Gholston however CAN play the position, but it will take a bit of time. I cant convince you to wait on him and all but to say he is a bust after he hasnt played 1 game in the NFL isnt fair.

 

SEE:
R.Bush v M.Williams

Only time will tell.