I haven't looked at many of the other teams closely in the league, so it's difficult to tell just how far this team can go. But as a Jet fan there simply aren't many players I feel the Jets couldn't easily replace or upgrade. The way I view the team these are the players I feel have the potential to be big contributors: QB - Favre, Ratliff - Favre is Favre. Do we get the QB from last year or the one who looked old and very pedestrian the previous two years. Ratliff has looked damn good in training camp and against the Browns. Is this guy a diamond in the rough? Could be. HB - Washington - I love his big play potential and would actually give him a lot more carries than do the Jets. FB - Richardson - Great FB, but getting on in years. WR - Coles, Cotchery - Two very good receivers, but neither one puts fear into the opposition lilke a Moss, Owens, Johnson, etc. TE - Keller - Now this guy has the potential to be great and scare opposing offenses. Hopefully he lives up to the hype thus far. OT - Ferguson - Still not playing at the #4 pick in the draft, but is a contributor. Hopefully this is the year things come together for him. OG - Faneca - One of the best in the business. C - Mangold - Going to be a Pro Bowler at some point. NT - Jenkins - Has the potential to be a stud. Will he produce or will he be the guy the Panthers let go? LB - Harris, Gholston - Harris looked awesome last year. I have my concerns about Gholtson. Is he another workout warrior like Robertson or is he truly a good football player? CB - Revis, Lowery - Revis is great and I love Lowery (another fourth round steal) S - Rhodes - Wonderful safety K - Nugent - Hopefully he adds some range this year. Nice kicker inside the 50. LS - Dearth - Does the job For me the jury is still out on the following: QB - Ainge - Got some potential. Time will tell. HB - Jones - Overrated. Not an elite back. Hopefully he does better this year with an improved OL WR - Stuckey, Smith, Clowney- Not sure what we have with these guys especially Stuckey and Clowney. Is Smith more than a gimmick player? OT -Woody - Needs to prove he can play tackle the way he used to play C. LB - Pace - I'm leery of one-year-wonders. Is he nearly worth what the Jets paid for him? CB - Miller - Make or break year for him as a corner. Great return man, but is that it? The rest of the team: QB - Clemens - Doesn't have it, never will. If the Jets thought this guy was the answer, now or in the future, they would not have traded for Favre. He will fall below Ratliff on the depth chart at some point. HB - Chatman, Smith - meh, meh OT - Oldenburg - meh OG - Moore, Turner, Montgomery - meh, meh, meh DE - Ellis, Coleman, Brown, Mosely, Devito - Ellis is overrated. Doesn't command double teams and doesn't worry opposing defenses. Coleman is a decent stop gap guy. Brown? Mosely, Devito? meh, meh, meh NT - Pouha - If he was the answer Jenkins wouldn't be a Jet LB - Barton, Thomas, Kassell, Bowens, Chatham - Barton is okay. Thomas is huge disappointment. Kassell and Chatham and hard workers. Bowens is okay. CB - Barrett, Coleman, Poteat - Not much here. S - Smith, Elam, Hawkins - Not much here either. We'll see what Smith can do this year, but I'm not holding my breath. P - Graham - He's okay but not quite what the Jets expected at this point. Can he get better? Bottom line? The Jets have too many weaknesses and question marks to make a run for the Super Bowl this year. They do however have a number of good young players around which to build for a few years. Hopefully, they do it right. Playoffs? Given the parity in the NFL a possibility, but not likely.
I like how you've completely given up on Kellen Clemens, and you're basically calling Brett Ratliff the NFL's Jesus. Thomas Jones was only overrated before he made it to the Bears. Everyone gave up on him until he had that great season in Chicago. Give this guy a chance to run behind a good offensive line before you call him a fluke. You can't judge this team's young backups, like Lowery, Clemens, and Ratliff, after one damn PRE-SEASON game. These games do not matter. I think Lowery is going to be a steal as well, but you can't rate him on the same playing field as Revis and Rhodes yet. Shaun Ellis is overrated? No way. He's just getting older and he isn't a 3-4 end, but he'll hold down the spot until we can find a replacement. He's the best end we've got, so deal with it. Pouha is a backup. He was never meant to be "the guy". He's a rotational player that does a pretty good job off the bench. What the fuck does "meh meh meh" mean? ...I'm just going to stop wasting my time, because I could argue with just about everything you've said. This is probably one of the most aggravating posts I've read in a while. It's filled with bullshit.
I agree with Mr Electric on Kellen. Just because the guy has a so-so preseason game does not mean hes done.
This post seems to me to be impatient, primarily. These snap judgments appear to be taken with the smallest snippet of evidence possible. Most importantly, however, the implied argument of the entire post is the failure of the CS and FO to select or mold the majority of the talent they have chosen to select and mold. Yet not a word against the CS and FO in the piece.
Jones was good for a while out here in Chicago. He was the entire offense and carried the team to the Super Bowl. Give him some blocking and a passing game and he'll do the same here.
In 2006, the Jets went 10-6 with a schedule similar in strength to the one they have this season with the following players: Offense: QB - Chad Pennington RB - Kevan Barlow FB - B.J. Askew WR1 - Laverneous Coles WR2 - Jericho Cothery WR3 - Justin McCairens TE - Chris Baker LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson (rookie) LG - Pete Kendall C - Nick Mangold (rookie) RG - Brandon Moore RT - Anthony Clement defense: S - Kerry Rhodes S - Erik Coleman CB - Andre Dyson CB - David Barret OLB - Bryan Thomas ILB - Jonathan Vilma ILB - Eric Barton OLB - Victor Hobson DE - Kimo VonSuckoften NT - Dwayne Robertson DE - Shaun Ellis In 2008, the roster has the following upgrades over the 10-6 2006 playoff team Offense QB - Brett Favre >> Chad Pennington RB - Thomas Jones > Kevan Barlow FB - Tony Richardson > B.J. Askew WR3 - Chansi Stuckey (or whoever wins this spot) > Justin McCairens TE - Chris Baker + Dustin Keller + Bubba Franks > Chris Baker LT - Year 3 D'Brickashaw Ferguson > Rookie D'Brick LG - Alen Faneca >> Pete Kendall C - Year 3 Mangold > Rookie Mangold RT - Damien Woody >> Anthony Clement Defense CB - Darrell Revis >> Andre Dyson ILB - David Harris >> Jonathan Vilma OLB - Calvin Pace > Victor Hobson DE - Kenyon Coleman > Kimo VonSuckoften NT - Kris Jenkins >> Dwayne Robertson edit: As to your concern about whether Gholston is a workout warrior or a good football player ... the man holds the single season sack record at THE Ohio State University. He's a damn good football player and was projected by many experts to go to the Jets well before the combine.
Broadway Brett, the main reason the Jets won that year was that Mangini and Co. were new. The had brilliant playcalling, both on offense and defense. The following year teams adjusted, and the Jets didn't. And yes, the schedule was more difficult. I honestly have no idea how many games the Jets will win this year. I do not that they won't be among the elite teams as they have too many holes and question marks.
The problem is the Jets think he's done. I do not believe they would have traded for Favre had they thought he was the answer, this year or in the future. Once your boss thinks you're done you're done, at least with that company. And honestly, I haven't seen anything from Clemens that makes me disagree with his bosses. :wink:
Excellent Post. If the Jets are not AT LEAST 10-6, this year will be a dissapointment. They have brought in more talent than any other team in the League this offseason. Of course, team chemistry is a big question mark. It is the job of the coaching staff to make sure that the talent on this team works together to form a cohesive unit and I trust that our coaching staff will do just that. The only disclaimer is injuries. Since there is no credible or rational way to predict injuries, there is no plausible way to take them into account.
Really? The main reason they won in 2006 was because Mangini and Co. were new? Most new NFL coaches finish the season with a losing record, especially when inheriting a 4-12 team. Brilliant play calling? Can you give some examples please, because I think that you are just pulling this out of thin air. Most of the "holes" you point out are backup players. I completely agree that we lack depth, but if we stay healthy this team has a lot of talent. If they can build good chemistry they could be a dangerous team!
They brought in a BETTER player. Favre gives the Jets a better chance to win NOW. Clemens said it best himself: "I get to pick the brain of one of the best quarterbacks of all time" Favre will help Clemens in the long run, and if it doesn't work out, there's always the draft and free agency.
So you think if Clemens were tearing it up in training camp the Jets would have brought in Favre? Sorry, I don't buy it. But please, let's not turn this into another thread on Favre. Thanks. :wink:
I'm not pulling anything out of thin air. The Jets were very aggressive on defense and Schottenheimer did such a good job he was talked about as head coaching material. I suppose you think the reason the Jets went from 10-6 to 4-12 was Pete Kendall?
No one is turning this into a Favre thread. What you're saying about Ratliff and Clemens is obviously stupid. A better player became available and the Jets' front office made a move. Do everyone this favor: Don't make anymore stupid threads.
Being more aggressive I can agree with. Kendall was one reason, a harder schedule was a reason, losing a lot of close games was a reason, shitty qb play was a reason, less aggressive coaching, there were a lot of reasons. I think that losing Kendall was bigger than people want to admit. Our offensive line broke down with Clarke between d'brick and mangold. When the o-line breaks down the offense breaks down, when the offense breaks down the defense spends more time on the field.
So you've pretty much highlighted all the players we all know are good and then dumped on the rest of the team. I'm sure any team would love to have 53 starters but unfortunately it doesn' work that way. Why do you think the FO has determined Kellen to be completely incapable? If they had gone out and traded for another "average" QB I could see the rationale, but they didn't. The FO went out and traded for a future HOF QB that has already paid dividends. I don't think that says anything about Clemens it just means they really wanted the attention that Favre would bring. How is TJ overrated? He was a reliable player for the Bears, and he was able to surpass 1,000 yards behind our piss poor O-line. Pouha vs. Jenkins? Give me a break. Do you not understand the concept of a backup? This thread? meh.
I agree. Schottenheimer has shown A LOT of ablility as a playcaller. He has a lot of innovative ways to essentially running the same play and there are countless times when the the opposing defense is caught completely off guard by him. Also, Mangini got a lot more aggressive with the defense with the defense in the 2nd half of each of the last 2 seasons and the defense improved dramatically as a result of it. What killed Schotty's playcalling last year is what always kills good playcalling - inconsistent play. In the Jets case, the combination of their quarterback and offensive line play was probably one of the 2 or 3 worst in the NFL. It's really is simple as that.
i'd like to see lowery moved to FS. he's a little slower than the avg CB but his ballhawking skills, hands and brain would make him an excellent safety and possibly one of the best young safety duos with rhodes. i think thomas will bounce back now that he knows his job is on the line
