Herm didn't have to do anything to hurt our leverage, Woody and TB took care of that. Nobody knows the true details so as JWWS why don't we stop the beating, the poor horse is dead and has been for some time now.
The pot calling the kettle black if I ever saw it!! You claim that TB and Woody have everything to do with our leverage on Herm, then claim that NOBODY knows the truth? Interesting. Here's what we know for sure: Rumors started immediately after the KC game. Herm met with Carl Peterson during the week after the KC game for dinner, just before rumors stared. Herm has had dinner with CP in prior years with no rumors circulating at all. Rumors were first reported by Mark Cannizaro, who as we all know had a very close relationship with Herm. Clearly during Herm's tenure there were repeated leaks to the media on sensitive issues such as Herm's status. Herm was known to meet with reporters privately after press conferences, something no other coach in the NFL does. And the #1 absolute truth: Herm had a hell of alot more to gain by flaoting rumors and damaging our leverage than Woody or TB ever did. Take those truths from above and tell me how in any way shape or form that Herm had nothing to do with hurting the Jets leverage in that deal.
Good points all, Boozer. Certainly no one in the Jets FO had anything to gain by leaking stuff to the press, but The Snake had everything to gain. No one in the Jets FO was in the habit of shooting their mouths off either, but The Snake did it with regularity. And finally, no one in the Jets FO was stupid enough to discuss current relationships, but The Snake repeatedly proved he was stupid enough to say most anything (chickens, win the game, etc.). Bottom line is, The Snake is gone. Let the man move on... he's got more important things to worry about now anyway... like, "I wasn't aware this Chiefs team was so old!"
So you're saying the only thing we know for sure is a RUMOR? Come on now. We all hear that Woody got fed up with Herm and just wanted him gone rumors too. There is nothing surprising about Herm having dinner with Peterson. I'm not saying Herm was 100% innocent but here's the key thing you forget. Herm was under contract. All Woody and TB had to do was say "Herm stays and honors the contract" and situation is over. Granted it's never truly as simple as that but the bottom line is Woody/TB held all the cards. If they wanted Herm at all they could've gotten more for him. At some point they (or at least Woody) decided he had enough and that was what truly hurt their leverage. People say all Herm had to do was say he wanted to stay but he did that. Then they say well he should've been honest and said he would be interested in leaving and not say that he wanted to coach the Jets, well he actually did that too. He said something along the lines that it is his intention to be the head coach of the Jets but the decision is all his. That's not the right wording I know but that's what led to him having to "clarify" his stance. All we know for sure is Herm is gone and most likely it was the best thing for all parties at this stage. There is no reason to bash Herm for it other then people showing their bias against him nor is their much reason to bash the FO for it since it's done. Could they have gotten more for Herm? Sure. Is it a travesty that they didn't? No.
The whole thing was the League's fault, not the NY Jets' fault. Herm Edwards worked the system and he and his buddy Carl Peterson jerked the Jets around. If it wasn't tampering, then it was Edwards violating his contract at the very least, contecting another team while under contract to the Jets. The Jets lost leverage because Herm worked the system, and the league didn't step in and fix it. I blame the NFL. They all knew what was going on, but they didn't step in and give the Jets proper compensation.
I agree to an extent. If there was tampering and it seems very probable that there was the league should've done something and the league should be blamed. Nobody knows what Herm did or did not say to Peterson and there's little Herm did that many other coaches have done in the past unfortunately. There just typically is more compensation involved so it doesn't look as bad. That being said, Woody and TB still had the final say in things and could've kept Herm and forced him to fulfill his contract if they actually wanted him here. He would've honored his contact if they did. They lost leverage because they decided they wanted him gone more then they wanted more compensation The league is to blame for not calling BS on the whole thing but Herm and Woody/TB all played their role.
