I've seen a lot of people on the board saying that they want the Jets to take Super Mario. My question is: Isn't he a pass rushing DE? How does that fit or not fit into the 3-4 alignment that it looks like the Jets will be running next year? It would seem to me if the Jets are intent on taking defense with that pick (which I hope they're not), they should take Hawk, as he projects into the 3-4 better. Opinions?
Haven't seen him play, so this is far from gospel. I read that he was great all - around, with long powerful arms that make him very tough to block. The articler said he's a a stud in any defense.
He has All-Pro pass-rushing potential in the 4-3, but he can still be a great player in the 3-4. You give Mangini a player with Williams' talent, and he will know what to do with him to make him very effective.
it is going to be a hybrid system so we will play in both. Dont be suprised if you see a lot of 4 down linemen formations on third down. Mario is the total package and I would compare him to seymour, a guy that can play the 3-4 and 4-3 DE spot.
He was a pass rusher in the 4-3 but he is 6-7 290 and runs a 4.66. I want him at the 4 spot b/c I think he's a stud and a kind of guy who would fit into any system b/c he can flat out play football. With Mangini coming from New England I envision him as our Willie Mcginest only better. A guy who can work on his feet, put on the line of scrimmage to confuse the offense, line him up in a 3point stance or drop him back into pass coverage. I just drool over the possibilities of a young D with a guy like Mario Williams, and throw in Vilma being beast like, Barton a good underrated lb, two young safeties who could flourish with good coaching, Shaun Ellis, Dyson, and Barrett as a solid corner
i think he has the thing that this CS will look for most - versatility. 4.6 forty is good for a LB. He talked about playing OLB for a team in his ESPN chatrap. I also see him as our Willie Mcginest if we get him, just far more talented!
Get it through your heads.. Mario Williams WILL NOT play OLB. When was the last time you saw a 295 pound OLB???
I agree that he is a very good talent and would make a difference no matter what defense we're playing, but the truth is he is a much better fit in the 4-3 and he has no experience in a 3-4 or at lb... yea his size and speed is amazing but he is 6'7 which means hes tall and skinny, a 3-4 de is usually short and stocky, they need to be able to eat up blocks and keep them off our lbs to let them make plays (he is a playmaker and we wouldnt be allowing him to fully do that)... i feel like he would improve our defense but in alotta ways we would be limiting his talent because his best skill is pass rushing and at de in a 3-4 that will not be his responsibility, hes not used to taking on a guard and a tackle with no help next to him (he would obviously get doubled teamed in college but that was a te alotta the time and he had 3 other linemen, not 2)... basically i think he could work but with a franchise tackle like d'brick available and a player like manny lawson (who is a perfect fit at olb in a 3-4 and very good player in his own right) available around 29 and 35 i think we're better off going in another direction
From what i hear Lawson may not last to our 29th pick and look at a player like Richard Seymour who is 6'4 300 lb's. I dont think he's to short and stocky. Mangini would use a mixture of 4-3 and 3-4 and could properly use him because he has had a player similar to him play in his system. I think this starting to be a point less argument between Ferguson and Williams b/c I think the Saints will pretty much determine who we pick.
I still think the saints are looking to trade the pick, i think they just want us to bite and we wont which is good... if they take d'brick then i could live with mario but thats insane if your comparing mario to seymour... seymour is a proven pro bowler and played dt in college and would in a 4-3, he is the perfect fit for a 3-4 de unlike mario
I would ask who is going to trade up to #2? And you could live with Mario? Im glad to hear that. Your right the fact that all he has played is 3-4 de, but he can play football and has IT. I think he's the kind of guy who doesnt care what system or where he's playing, just give him a helmet and some pads and he's gonna be destructive
that alone warrants his pick IMO combine that with his long arms, and his apparent ability to dominate in the 3-4 aswell as the most likely hybrid we will run this year, and he could be the next best thing in NY
i don't think they'd pick him unless they knew he'd be a huge lift to our defense i have faith, so my opinion doesn't really matter
The more I think about it the more I think I don't want Mario Williams at 4.. He is an amazing talent no doubt but I think we are better off getting our QB first, then targeting an OLB at 29. A guy like Carpenter at 29 can make just as much impact as a Mario Williams drafted at 4. Mangini is gonna play the system that fits the players he has, but he is gonna want to play 3-4 and IMO will bring in players to fit that kind of D. OLB is more of an impact position in the 3-4 than a DE and there will be a talented player at that position left for us at 29. Ellis can be our Seymour type in Mangini's D.
Ive said this a few times but I guess I'll say it again... The Patriots do not run a strict 3-4 scheme. They play a scheme that shows alot of different looks and is designed to create mismatches. Mangini will more than likely do the exact same thing. It is nowhere near as simple as "Williams played in a 4-3 in college and we are running a 3-4". That is not the case. What we're looking at is 2 things... 1. We could see anywhere from 2 DL on the field to 5 or 6, depending on the situation. Which means all the talk of us being strictly a 3-4 team is very off base. It also means that we will have a heavy rotation up front, creating alot of playing time for all our d-linemen. That means we need depth and versatility. 2. We need players, especially up front, who create mismatches for the opposition. Right now the only player we have like that is D rob w/ his compact quickness and power. He needs help. That is where Williams comes in. He is that rare prospect who not only can be a major stud pass rusher in a 4-3, but also has the size and athleticism to be the same threat in a 3-4, or any other scheme we may utilize. That means he brings to the 2 things we are looking for, for our D-line: Versatility and the abiolity to create mismatches. He would NOT be our version of Willie McGinest. He is far too big and is not quick enough to play such a position. What he would be is our version of Richard Seymour w/ even higher of a ceiling. THAT is why Williams is a great pick for our team. He would be the cornerstone to the DL scheme Mangini will look to implement.
The Jets will almost have to implement a hybrid D regardless. Mario can play both 4-3 and 3-4. I like the 4-3 with Mario and Ellis at End, and Kimo and Robertson in the interior. You have to be able to rush the QB, so they need either Mario or a great OLB/DE with the 29th IMO. I'll be happy with Ferguson too. Just don't want a QB with the #4. Omar Jacobs will be available in the 3rd and is much less risk..
